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re: Congressional Black Caucus pushes for reparations commission ... a vote is coming
Posted on 7/1/20 at 4:50 pm to David_DJS
Posted on 7/1/20 at 4:50 pm to David_DJS
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Do you think a Dem president and Dem controlled congress would be incapable of figuring out how to get trillions in payments to the "aggrieved" however they define the aggrieved?
Well, there has been welfare programs forever, but no there won't be direct checks for "reparations".
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Posted on 7/1/20 at 4:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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$2-3T if it means the whole racism thing dies with it
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:02 pm to udtiger
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And if the SCOTUS were to somehow uphold it? DC would literally be burned to the ground.
No it wouldn't. You and me and everyone else would still kindly follow the rules and pay our taxes and stay quiet and Continue to get run over by 19 year old mentally unstable lunatics that continue to call everyone every name in the book, all while taking it.
Conservatives are not going to do anything except watch the country tunr to ashes and shite... Just like they're doing now. Nothing will change except the left will gain more power and continue to oppress.
Even the reddest of states aren't doing anything now and won't do anything later because of fear.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:06 pm to Azkiger
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This is going to be a cluster frick.
Who pays? Why?
Who receives? Why?
Why stop at slavery? Why?
Not its not.
Nobody pays and nobody receives as the United States was more or less not involved in the slave trade. Furthermore, the slaves only real property was their labor, so how are damages calculated and what part of them were caused by the United States?
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Actually, the United States used resource, money and people's lives to free the slaves there would be actually a negative balance owed.
If anything, under these strange theories... the slave owners that were not compensated for their losses should get reparations. iirc only in DC were slave owners given reparations for the loss of their slaves.
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:14 pm to Indefatigable
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Oh yea, because it will definitely only happen once
You're not following along.
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Yea, because that’s how that would work. Also, wealthy and fiat money are not zero sum. But hey, at least you’re only giving out random gifts to 200,000 as opposed to the tens of millions of black Americans. How did you choose them?
You're not following along. We're discussing economics, not reparations. So answer the question - what's better for an economy based on competitive capitalism, 600 billionaires with a total of $26 in net assets, or 200,000 people with $10 million each for a total of $2T in net assets?
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Why did you mention any of these individuals? Why would they leave? and why would those 4 people be the only ones who did so if they did? Not sure what you are talking about there
You argued that redistributing wealth out of the billionaire class would result in a "brain drain" - I argue that that's a silly argument.
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Both of those things are/were HORRENDOUS policy. Again, not sure what point you are making.
Yeah, I think we're arguing different things. You're hung up on reparations (not surprising given this is a reparations thread) and I'm focused on economics and picked up on your comment about a wealth tax being counter to American principles.
So I'll cut to the chase - our economy is not as "competitive" as it used to be. I know this is a liberal talking point (I'm not liberal), but it's true that we now have a crony capitalism. And TARP, the open border, carried interest taxation, etc., etc are examples of wealth distribution up the food chain.
Did you know Trump proposed a wealth tax?
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:14 pm to Jjdoc
Reparations for them being slaves would be to send them back to their homeland from where they were purchased before their trek over to America living this slave life.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:15 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Well, there has been welfare programs forever, but no there won't be direct checks for "reparations".
Why do you think this? Genuinely curious.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:17 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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I'll be establishing a raffle. Winner gets my Reparations Share. Maybe $5 per ticket?
Details coming soon
I’m willing to trade you my White Privilege outfight for your Reparations Share.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:19 pm to westide
quote:You overestimate the Karen’s.
This will help reelect Trump. Please frickers vote for it.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:19 pm to Jjdoc
Come take it directly from my wallet!
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:23 pm to David_DJS
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Reparations for them being slaves would be to send them back to their homeland from where they were purchased before their trek over to America living this slave life.
Oh I'm sure many of us would say that is cronyism, matter of fact I say we shut it all down on some levels. However, "reparations" discussed are not really reparations for taking, they want a gift.
One is legal, the other not so much.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:24 pm to pennypacker3
I would be worried about the long term impact of this. Will this create a generation of pissed off white Americans who turn to extremist beliefs?
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:26 pm to David_DJS
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Why do you think this? Genuinely curious.
Because the "reparations" are not reparations for taking, the United States as a generalization was not involved in the slave trade.
So, who would be paying the "reparations"? I mean I guess someone can step up to the plate but its not the United States.
Generally curious as to why all these silly reparation threads keep coming up, there is no legal way for them to get money from the United State. Now, they might be able to find some stupid entity or person to give them money but the United States isn't setup to give gifts based on race or your family tree.
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:31 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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So, who would be paying the "reparations"? I mean I guess someone can step up to the plate but its not the United States.
Just my opinion, but don't put all your hope in this. If conservatives don't gain some control here, who was and wasn't involved in the slave trade isn't going to matter. Liberals will cram reparations down the country's throat and will lock up the black vote for anther hundred years by doing so. And don't expect the judiciary to block shite.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:31 pm to David_DJS
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what's better for an economy based on competitive capitalism, 600 billionaires with a total of $26 in net assets, or 200,000 people with $10 million each for a total of $2T in net assets?
Not possible to answer.
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a wealth tax being counter to American principles.
Yea that’s not what I said. I said that the punitive, one time payment suggested by the other poster would be counter to our ideals. In fact, in subsequent posts I specifically excluded estate or wealth taxes from my point— because those things were NOT what was being suggested.
Here’s my post:
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This suggestion is not a progressive income tax regime or even as you put it, a “wealth” or estate tax, it would be a punitive one time wealth redistribution tax taken from individuals and directly paid to others based on nothing other than their status as “rich” for the singular purpose of evening the economic playing field. Whenever it’s been generations since the events at issue, and absolutely zero of those “rich” played any part in it, that is unacceptable.
Operative word being NOT, in the first sentence.
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:33 pm to David_DJS
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Just my opinion, but don't put all your hope in this. If conservatives don't gain some control here, who was and wasn't involved in the slave trade isn't going to matter. Liberals will cram reparations down the country's throat and will lock up the black vote for anther hundred years by doing so. And don't expect the judiciary to block shite.
A gift to black people would be unconstitutional, duh this isn't hard to figure out.
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And don't expect the judiciary to block shite.
Under that theory, they could remove all voting rights for people that aren't black as well - why don't we cross that bridge when we get to it.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:35 pm to Jjdoc
South and Democratic party about to be broke.
Saints,Falcons,Dolphins,etc all going to be owned by Black people are payment.
Saints,Falcons,Dolphins,etc all going to be owned by Black people are payment.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:41 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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A gift to black people would be unconstitutional, duh this isn't hard to figure out.
And we wonder how churchgoers got locked out of their churches because a cold was going around.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:41 pm to Jjdoc
frick them I will never pay a cent.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:42 pm to StringedInstruments
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Slavery and racism in America is the worst atrocity in world history.
You are a retard if you believe this.
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