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Commie Mamdummy is now going after Amazon subcontracting delivery services

Posted on 8/11/26 at 6:53 pm
Posted by stout
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Posted on 8/11/26 at 6:53 pm
FYI, these are actually businesses owned by people who understand the risk and are willing to take them. My wife and I looked into it a while back
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Amazon subcontracts the vast majority of its package deliveries using two main models: Delivery Service Partners (DSPs)—small, dedicated local businesses that run fleets of branded vans—and Amazon Flex, a platform for independent gig drivers using their personal cars. This setup allows Amazon to scale rapidly and shift direct employer liability.

Delivery Service Partner (DSP) Program

Independent businesses: Amazon helps entrepreneurs launch local delivery companies through the Amazon Delivery Service Partner Program.

Branded operations: DSP owners hire their own drivers and manage daily shifts, but the vans, uniforms, and routing metrics strictly match Amazon’s corporate specifications.

Fixed contracts: Amazon pays these third-party companies based on volume and routes, shielding Amazon from direct employment responsibilities and labor lawsuits.

Amazon Flex (Independent Gig Workers)App-based blocks:

Individual workers sign up via Amazon Flex as independent contractors.

Personal vehicles: Drivers claim scheduled delivery windows (blocks), pick up parcels from local distribution hubs, and use their own cars and gas to drop them off.






So this idiot is attacking gig workers and small businesses. Not Amazon


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If it looks like an Amazon delivery and drives like an Amazon delivery, then it's an Amazon delivery, right? Not according to Amazon.

Big companies like Amazon have built a vast network of subcontractors who deliver their packages while shielding them from accountability.

It leaves our workers unprotected and our streets less safe. It's time for a change.

I'm proud to support the Delivery Protection Act to crack down on exploitative subcontracting and build an economy that works for everyone.





This post was edited on 8/12/26 at 11:30 am
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 8/11/26 at 6:56 pm to
Well aren’t the subcontractors subject to the regs? What regs are bing violated by either amazon or the subs?
Posted by stout
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Posted on 8/11/26 at 6:59 pm to
None

It's no secret Amazon operates this way for many reasons, including liability protection. The subs understand the risk, carry the appropriate insurance to shield Amazon, and are still able to operate a profitable business.

Commies don't like that, though, and want people to sue the big evil corporation directly
Posted by Motorboat
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Posted on 8/11/26 at 7:01 pm to
It’s not about the regulations. It’s about liability. Amazon controls the entire delivery process. Their “subs” are not independent, but basically treated as employees due to that level of control.

Posted by stout
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Posted on 8/11/26 at 7:02 pm to
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Their “subs” are not independent, but basically treated as employees due to that level of control.




That's an argument for the IRS, which establishes the subcontractor rule. Not NYC
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 8/11/26 at 7:03 pm to
Motorboat is a personal injury attorney
Posted by stout
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Posted on 8/11/26 at 7:09 pm to
Ahhh....I see
Posted by stout
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Posted on 8/12/26 at 7:52 am to
The NY Post has a good article on how much this will hurt NYC and small businesses


Mamdani escalates Amazon fight, backs bill that risks price hike for customers as retailer threatens to move NYC operations


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New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani is throwing his support behind controversial legislation that would force Amazon and other delivery giants to directly employ thousands of drivers — despite warnings the policy will force Amazon outside the five boroughs and lead to slower, more expensive deliveries.

Mamdani on Monday backed the Teamsters-supported Delivery Protection Act, which would bar companies from subcontracting core warehouse and delivery work at last-mile facilities and require workers to be directly employed by the facility operator.

“Corporations like Amazon build billion-dollar business models by insulating themselves from accountability through a system of exploitative subcontracting,” the mayor said in a statement.

He called the bill “common-sense regulation that protects delivery workers, safeguards the communities where these facilities operate and ensures that the corporations benefiting from workers’ labor are responsible for the consequences of their business practices.”

However, the legislation would foist an extra $664 per year on New York households to get their goods, according to a study by consultancy AKRF.

“This law is just going to raise prices for consumers,” Business Council of New York State spokesperson Steve Smith told The Post on Monday.

Amazon, which works with more than 40 local Delivery Service Partners employing over 5,000 people in New York City, has warned that the legislation could prompt it to move delivery operations outside the city.

A retreat outside the city limits would result in deliveries that are not only significantly slower but also more costly, AKRF previously warned.

“We’re committed to creating good jobs, supporting our thousands of employees and local small business partners in New York City and providing fast, reliable delivery for New Yorkers,” Amazon spokeswoman Kelly A. Nantel told The Post.

“But as written, this legislation would directly undermine that commitment — threatening the small businesses that deliver to customers, putting the jobs of more than 5,000 of their employees at risk and forcing us to consider relocating delivery operations outside of the city.”

Opponents of the bill planned to mount their own show of force Monday, with package delivery workers and small-business owners planning a 1 p.m. press conference in East Harlem to urge city leaders to reject the measure.

The New York Delivers coalition said its members will gather at Thomas Jefferson Park to argue that Intro 518 threatens thousands of delivery jobs and small businesses while raising costs for New Yorkers.

The coalition claims as many as 10,000 city delivery jobs could be at risk if the legislation passes, including an estimated 3,500 last-mile delivery jobs in Harlem and four adjoining Council districts.

New York Delivers also said 82% of the last-mile delivery workforce does not have a college degree, and 84% is non-white. The group plans to feature delivery workers and small-business owners who say the legislation threatens their livelihoods.
Posted by i am dan
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Posted on 8/12/26 at 7:55 am to
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Their “subs” are not independent, but basically treated as employees due to that level of control.


Are the subs independent? Doesn't matter how they're treated does it?

We treat contractors as "employees" too. We make them take training classes and go over our policies, etc.

This post was edited on 8/12/26 at 9:37 am
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 8/12/26 at 7:56 am to
This guy is a moron. He governs on clicks.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
20722 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:20 am to
This would also impact door dash, uber, and lots of other contractors in the city.

Fking crush not only the workers but restaurants, etc.

They think somehow all these people will suddenly be employed by a company and join the Teamsters who is pushing for it.

Posted by Auburn1968
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Member since Mar 2019
27469 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 10:01 am to
Muslim commie pours sand into the gears of the economy while taxing the productive class to make up for the losses he causes.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
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Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 8/12/26 at 10:03 am to
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Mamdani on Monday backed the Teamsters-supported Delivery Protection Act, which would bar companies from subcontracting core warehouse and delivery work at last-mile facilities and require workers to be directly employed by the facility operator.



A large % of Amazon packages are delivered by e-bike and foot wagons in NYC/Manhattan. There is not fricking way the Teamsters are going to take these jobs.

Posted by BrianKellysbuyout
Member since Nov 2025
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Posted on 8/12/26 at 10:05 am to
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and want people to sue the big evil corporation directly


I do get that in a way, there are positives and negatives, but that is free enterprise, I guess. Peak capitalism, no wonder Mamdani hates it.
Posted by Motorboat
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Posted on 8/12/26 at 10:34 am to
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We treat contractors as "employees" too. We make them take training classes and go over our policies, etc.


It's more than this. Amazon controls the entire delivery process from order to door. The DSOs all use Amazon required IT, are required to wear Amazon uniforms, drive amazon logo trucks, etc. There is no independence from amazon other than an LLC in name to divert liability.

I hate this commie Mandami. I am just pointing out what this is factually, with no opinion on it either way, except that if a DSO kills a family member in a wreck and they do not have enough insurance, then I should be able to pursue Amazon, who controls the entire process.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 8/12/26 at 10:45 am to
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It's more than this. Amazon controls the entire delivery process from order to door. The DSOs all use Amazon required IT, are required to wear Amazon uniforms, drive amazon logo trucks, etc. There is no independence from amazon other than an LLC in name to divert liability.

I hate this commie Mandami. I am just pointing out what this is factually, with no opinion on it either way, except that if a DSO kills a family member in a wreck and they do not have enough insurance, then I should be able to pursue Amazon, who controls the entire process.


None of this really matters in terms of liability. The liability still falls on the contractor, and Amazon makes damn sure of that. I mean, they can sue Amazon, but I almost guarantee that Amazon has all of their t's crossed and i's dotted to protect themselves.
Posted by Motorboat
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Posted on 8/12/26 at 10:47 am to
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I mean, they can sue Amazon, but I almost guarantee that Amazon has all of their t's crossed and i's dotted to protect themselves.


You are good with Amazon exerting that level of control and escaping all responsibility?
Posted by dstone12
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Member since Jan 2007
41163 posts
Posted on 8/12/26 at 10:56 am to
That’s how you get other people to pay for your services.


Pretty soon the other 57 counties of NY State will pay more for:

-Water
-Electricity
-Trash
-Food
-Transportation
——Everything


Then NY State will ask for Federal Help…….and get it.

This post was edited on 8/12/26 at 10:59 am
Posted by SuperSaint
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Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 8/12/26 at 11:10 am to
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It’s not about the regulations. It’s about liability. Amazon controls the entire delivery process. Their “subs” are not independent, but basically treated as employees due to that level of control.
gotta find them deep liability pockets huh
Posted by theballguy
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Posted on 8/12/26 at 11:16 am to
If I loved freedom, I would stay away from NYC as much as humanly possible
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