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re: Commie Mamdummy is now going after Amazon subcontracting delivery services
Posted on 8/12/26 at 11:23 am to Funky Tide 8
Posted on 8/12/26 at 11:23 am to Funky Tide 8
quote:What will happen is the injured person will sue Amazon (and the contractor) in tort, and then Amazon will file an impleader (or crossclaim) against its contractor under their contract.quote:None of this really matters in terms of liability. The liability still falls on the contractor, and Amazon makes damn sure of that. I mean, they can sue Amazon, but I almost guarantee that Amazon has all of their t's crossed and i's dotted to protect themselves.
It's more than this. Amazon controls the entire delivery process from order to door. The DSOs all use Amazon required IT, are required to wear Amazon uniforms, drive amazon logo trucks, etc. There is no independence from amazon other than an LLC in name to divert liability.
I hate this commie Mandami. I am just pointing out what this is factually, with no opinion on it either way, except that if a DSO kills a family member in a wreck and they do not have enough insurance, then I should be able to pursue Amazon, who controls the entire process.
The injured party is protected against underinsurance of the contractor.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 11:24 am to Auburn1968
It almost seems like the plan is to make people flee to red states and turn them blue.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 11:29 am to JohnnyKilroy
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What regs are bing violated by either amazon or the subs?
Regulation 350 - Capitalism, subsection 420 - Pigs.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 11:52 am to stout
3 months from now
Today, I'm announcing the first city wide delivery business.....
Today, I'm announcing the first city wide delivery business.....
Posted on 8/12/26 at 12:12 pm to Motorboat
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It's more than this. Amazon controls the entire delivery process from order to door. The DSOs all use Amazon required IT, are required to wear Amazon uniforms, drive amazon logo trucks, etc. There is no independence from amazon other than an LLC in name to divert liability.
The DSOs do the hiring, pay the wages, supply benefits, pay for office space, , find and pay the insurance, etc.
Your assertion is insane.
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I hate this commie Mandami. I am just pointing out what this is factually, with no opinion on it either way, except that if a DSO kills a family member in a wreck and they do not have enough insurance, then I should be able to pursue Amazon, who controls the entire process.
As a personal injury attorney, of course you think that. You can't see past your own nose, because you are a leech.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 12:20 pm to stout
Just a leftist raising costs on everyone.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 12:23 pm to stout
You can never tax your way to prosperity or tax your way out of debt. The only way is to spend less, grow your economy and lower taxes so business can thrive.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 12:25 pm to stout
Commies hate small business because they cannot hide the confiscation from them.
The person actually gets to collect ALL of their own money and then has to give it to the government. Unlike withholding.
The person actually gets to collect ALL of their own money and then has to give it to the government. Unlike withholding.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 12:30 pm to Motorboat
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It's more than this. Amazon controls the entire delivery process from order to door. The DSOs all use Amazon required IT, are required to wear Amazon uniforms, drive amazon logo trucks, etc. There is no independence from amazon other than an LLC in name to divert liability.
That level of control would make Amazon vicariously liable, regardless if their categorization as an "independent contractor."
This post was edited on 8/12/26 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 8/12/26 at 12:56 pm to trinidadtiger
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They think somehow all these people will suddenly be employed by a company and join the Teamsters who is pushing for it.
The Teamsters want those deliveries to go back to companies like UPS so their dues will increase.
UPS, FedEx, DHL, etc win and the little man loses. Awesome job anti-capitalist mayor!!
Posted on 8/12/26 at 1:43 pm to Motorboat
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I hate this commie Mandami.
"Guys...I totally hate Mandami and his socialist policies...until those socialist policies stand to benefit me as an injury attorney." - Motorboat
Posted on 8/12/26 at 1:51 pm to udtiger
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That level of control would make Amazon vicariously liable, regardless if their categorization as an "independent contractor."
Amazon clearly understands how much separation they need to shield themselves.
The operators of these delivery businesses are no different than any other franchise operator.
If you own a McDonald's, you can only sell their menu items, your team wears McDonald's uniforms, there are standards you must uphold, and performance structures are in place. They can yank your franchise from you for not meeting their terms
Zero difference between that and what Amazon does.
I sell on Amazon as a 3rd party, and even that comes with metrics Amazon expects me to meet or stay above, or else they terminate my account.
It's really silly of Motorboat to be so obtuse that he doesn't understand a franchise agreement can still demand all of these standards and still meet the threshold for a subcontractor relationship under IRS guidelines.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 1:57 pm to CleverUserName
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The Teamsters want those deliveries to go back to companies like UPS so their dues will increase.
UPS, FedEx, DHL, etc win and the little man loses. Awesome job anti-capitalist mayor!!
Exactly.
Three pages of arguing the "good" reason, Amazon does not want to be liable.
The "real" reason, the jobs go back to Teamster controlled delivery AND EVERYONE pays excessive costs to pass on to the drivers and ultimately the Teamsters.
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Yes, the Teamsters (specifically Teamsters Local 804) backed Zohran Mamdani during his political campaigns, and the international union has actively collaborated with him on labor legislation
And there you have it, follow the money.....
Posted on 8/12/26 at 2:03 pm to JohnnyKilroy
The whole thing revolves around the Unions, and the fact that these subcontractors do not belong to the Union and therefore they are not collecting dues. There is no safety concerns here, this is all about the strongarm of the Unions and their affinity for Mandummy.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 2:48 pm to Motorboat
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I hate this commie Mandami. I am just pointing out what this is factually, with no opinion on it either way, except that if a DSO kills a family member in a wreck and they do not have enough insurance, then I should be able to pursue Amazon, who controls the entire process.
I don't think you should be able to sue Amazon either way. If there was a crime that results in death, then criminal charges should be filed against the wrong doer. Accidents happen, doesn't mean you're entitled to a pay day unless you pay for life insurance. It's just scum bag lawyers driving up insurance and other costs for everyone.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 3:23 pm to udtiger
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That level of control would make Amazon vicariously liable, regardless if their categorization as an "independent contractor."
exactly. I am disagreed with because of what I do for a living. never change PT.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 3:30 pm to Tigers13
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I don't think you should be able to sue Amazon either way.
Why not?
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If there was a crime that results in death, then criminal charges should be filed against the wrong doer. Accidents happen, doesn't mean you're entitled to a pay day unless you pay for life insurance.
So you disagree with the entire civil justice system? The white knighting for Amazon is pretty interesting here. You know that you can disagree with Mandami's beliefs and think Amazon needs to pull their fair share when they or one of their employers injure someone?
Posted on 8/12/26 at 3:44 pm to Motorboat
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I am disagreed with because of what I do for a living. never change PT.
No. You’re being disagreed with because you’re acting like the franchise model is something new, or that Amazon is the first company to use this kind of structure.
I subcontract work all over the U.S. in my own business. I’m careful to maintain enough separation to stay within the legal distinction between subcontractors and employees, but I still have standards and expectations that my subcontractors are required to meet.
That’s not unusual. Every franchise or contractor-based business model has standards. The fact that Amazon does the same thing doesn’t suddenly make the concept improper or unacceptable.
This post was edited on 8/12/26 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 8/12/26 at 3:52 pm to stout
Offer “free services” then price out the competition. This is the socialist/communist way. He wants New Yorkers standing in his free grocery store lines just like they do in Russia. I’m happy for it. I hope they are miserable for the next 4 years for electing that dude.
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