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Posted on 6/28/23 at 3:18 pm to Fun Bunch
The whole premise of the charges....which are espionage. Is that he showed classified documentation to people without a clearance. Even that wouldn't get him charged with espionage. He could be charged with mishandling classified. Espionage is doing so with the intent to interfere with an operation and the success of that operation. To promote with the intent of aiding the enemies success. Its impossible to prove he did it with intent to harm The United States in a military operation. Now they are saying that they never recovered any classified documents dealing with Iran. Sort of hard to show classified documents to someone with out a clearance if they cant prove you ever had the documents.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 3:18 pm to Fun Bunch
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Bonds is assuming that they do not have any corroboration simply based on an audio recording. He may be right, but that can't be flat out assumed.
Agreed. Which is why I said “if the tape is to be believed.” Personally, I think Trump was just engaged in some puffery as he is known to do. But the only evidence we have seen now is the tape. So if it is to be believed, nobody actually saw what he was waving around.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 3:23 pm to BBONDS25
And the problem with that is “my client lies” is not the argument you want to give while also facing 37 federal indictments.
I just don’t see it as a good strategy because it will be used against him.
I just don’t see it as a good strategy because it will be used against him.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 3:24 pm to MikkUGA
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(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
This is what he was charged with, to my understanding.
None of this:
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. Espionage is doing so with the intent to interfere with an operation and the success of that operation. To promote with the intent of aiding the enemies success.
is required for what he is charged
Posted on 6/28/23 at 4:25 pm to pankReb
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And the problem with that is “my client lies” is not the argument you want to give while also facing 37 federal indictments.
100 percent. Every single politician ever engages in puffery. Trump is being prosecuted for it. That is the real issue here. The fact we are arguing over statutes and semantics is sad. We should ALL be enraged over the prosecution. The left and sadly even some on the right are giddy about it. It’s really sad to me.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 4:27 pm to BBONDS25
Absolutely it is bullshite. However, trump still can’t manage to learn from his mistakes and makes himself an easy target.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 4:31 pm to BBONDS25
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The fact we are arguing over statutes and semantics is sad. We should ALL be enraged over the prosecution. The left and sadly even some on the right are giddy about it. It’s really sad to me.
It's awesome watching so many people pretend to be experts on "legal issues" that in a sane world should not exist - and didn't up until about 7 years ago.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 4:56 pm to pankReb
New York Post
What was the document he held up? We now find out the “Iran War Plans” weren’t one of the documents for which Trump was “in trouble”. That’s the one that was being reported at first. So they have nothing without the actual document, besides their willingness to lie about Iranian war plans.
What was the document he held up? We now find out the “Iran War Plans” weren’t one of the documents for which Trump was “in trouble”. That’s the one that was being reported at first. So they have nothing without the actual document, besides their willingness to lie about Iranian war plans.
This post was edited on 6/28/23 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 6/28/23 at 5:14 pm to Sofaking2
Welcome to 20 of the past 29 pages
Posted on 6/28/23 at 5:39 pm to Decatur
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Pretty sure this is supposed to be the takeaway here since it does not appear that Trump has been charged for this document.
100% that's all this recording was intended to accommplish.
It's a framing narrative to show that even Trump himself did not believe he could simply declassify documents in his possession without going through a process while president.
The key part of this recording will be his statement "I could've declassified it while I was president, but I didn't" (paraphrasing here)
This will be used to frame the narrative that Trump knew the classified docs in his possession were still classified, and it will prevent his lawyers from using the argument that he declassified them by simply possessing them or declaring them declassified in private.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 5:40 pm to RazorBroncs
Which proves….yet again….that he’s an idiot.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 9:31 am to BuckyCheese
@ BuckyCheese
Just checking to see if you have groveled and offered your apology for being such a gullible, witless moron.
Just checking to see if you have groveled and offered your apology for being such a gullible, witless moron.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 9:49 am to jawnybnsc
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It's a shame that no attempt was ever made to categorize any of the materials by . . . OH, I DON'T KNOW, A SPECIAL MASTER . . . so all of that is kinda moot.
Government: Give us all the documents you have with classified markings?
Trump: Uh, why?
Government: Because they're special and they belong to us?
Trump: Uh, frick you I'm The President.
Government: Well, there might be some Defense Information in there.
Trump: You got a list?
Government: Uh, no. Give us everything.
Trump: Go frick yourself!
Trump DID try to give the boxes to NARA before leaving the WH. They refused to receive the boxes and left them on the WH steps telling Trump to deal with them. LoL
This whole thing is a frick show without the sex. It's beyond stupid and so obviously nothing more than another failed attempt to "get Trump".
Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:21 pm to NashvilleTider
Stop eating lead paint, you fricking moron.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:38 pm to ocelot4ark
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Former White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said Saturday that she saw former President Trump show classified documents to people at his Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida.
“I watched him show documents to people at Mar-a-Lago on the dining room patio,” Grisham, who served as Trump’s chief spokesperson from July 2019 to April 2020, said in an interview on MSNBC. “So, he has no respect for classified information, never did.”
LINK
Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:43 pm to Bunk Moreland
So an accusation (false?).
Who cares?
That’s not proof.
Who cares?
That’s not proof.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:46 pm to Bunk Moreland
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“I watched him show documents to people at Mar-a-Lago on the dining room patio,” Grisham, who served as Trump’s chief spokesperson from July 2019 to April 2020, said in an interview on MSNBC. “So, he has no respect for classified information, never did
While President?
Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:52 pm to jimmy the leg
Stefanie was a confidant to FLOTUS Melania Trump.
If that were true she would have spoken up in her first attention whore grifting book.
Obama's, Clinton's, Biden's, Bush's, can all be on the take of the CCP and that's fine.
But Trump was impeached for what Biden did.
Breaking News: The nuclear codes were stolen from the Pentagon when Trump commandeered the Beast steering wheel. Trump used Russian salad dressing.
If that were true she would have spoken up in her first attention whore grifting book.
Obama's, Clinton's, Biden's, Bush's, can all be on the take of the CCP and that's fine.
But Trump was impeached for what Biden did.
Breaking News: The nuclear codes were stolen from the Pentagon when Trump commandeered the Beast steering wheel. Trump used Russian salad dressing.
Posted on 7/4/23 at 9:02 pm to moneyg
Her interview doesn't say, but she may be talking about this story (she says "patio", it refers to the area as the "dining terrace").
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