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re: CIA Kept Soviet Cancer Research Classified for 64 Years
Posted on 3/10/26 at 4:53 am to TIGA 80
Posted on 3/10/26 at 4:53 am to TIGA 80
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The reason oncologist and the medical profession aren't utilizing these treatments is because they are all owned by the large hospital companies who determine how they practice medicine. they are not free to deviate from the hospital companies protocols or they loose their position.
This right here
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Posted on 3/10/26 at 5:00 am to FoTownBam
I need to get more, Haven't checked the prices lately but I'm sure it 's not as cheap as it was during Covid......
Posted on 3/10/26 at 5:16 am to onmymedicalgrind
quote:......Then explain why so many Doctors and the like were cancelled during covid?
Because pharmaceutical companies can’t make money if people are cured
quote:Don't have to be Genius to figure this one out all it takes is some common sense, of which a lot of people have none off
Do you believe that to be the case? If so, yes—you and I both agree you are a simpleton.
Posted on 3/10/26 at 5:42 am to onmymedicalgrind
quote:if it’s done from Tractor Supply for $20 a week, not so much
And curing cancer wouldn’t be?
Posted on 3/10/26 at 5:51 am to AlterEd
I had not heard this, but am not surprised. Over 30 years ago I was at a medical meeting where Levamisol(sp) was introduced in a study showing its effectiveness against colon cancer. It is even still used today in the treatment, if I am not mistaken, in conjunction with other meds. These "rumors" about anti-parasitic meds being effective on cancer go back decades. It is not something new.
Levamasol(sp) is also an anti-fluke medication used in the treatment of parasitemia in sheep. A doctor, who was also a farmer, stood up in the room and asked why the drug when used in his patient population costs almost $6000 (at the time) and the same medication when used to treat his sheep costs about $4. The rep from the company said "Because we have never been sued by a sheep."
Didn't make much sense to me, but after thirty years in this profession what I see is hoops from the FDA for researchers to jump thru and licensing agreements that are strenuous and obtrusive due to fear of litigation. All of these medications have some side effects, but class action lawsuits and historical data shows that these companies are trying to recoup their losses on the front end knowing that there will be litigation going forward. In reality, the company has to make some money, albeit I do not agree with the excessive amounts, or there would be no reason to further the research and produce the medication.
Levamasol(sp) is also an anti-fluke medication used in the treatment of parasitemia in sheep. A doctor, who was also a farmer, stood up in the room and asked why the drug when used in his patient population costs almost $6000 (at the time) and the same medication when used to treat his sheep costs about $4. The rep from the company said "Because we have never been sued by a sheep."
Didn't make much sense to me, but after thirty years in this profession what I see is hoops from the FDA for researchers to jump thru and licensing agreements that are strenuous and obtrusive due to fear of litigation. All of these medications have some side effects, but class action lawsuits and historical data shows that these companies are trying to recoup their losses on the front end knowing that there will be litigation going forward. In reality, the company has to make some money, albeit I do not agree with the excessive amounts, or there would be no reason to further the research and produce the medication.
This post was edited on 3/10/26 at 5:59 am
Posted on 3/10/26 at 5:56 am to AlterEd
Muh horse paste!
Posted on 3/10/26 at 6:14 am to DTRooster
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if it’s done from Tractor Supply for $20 a week, not so much
Surely those evil people withholding this secret from the masses have been curing cancers in their loved ones for a price less than a gym membership. Yep, that's it. Bless your heart.
Posted on 3/10/26 at 6:15 am to ole man
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......Then explain why so many Doctors and the like were cancelled during covid?
....First explain how that above is a response to:
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Because pharmaceutical companies can’t make money if people are cured?
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Don't have to be Genius to figure this one out all it takes is some common sense
I agree with this. I am baffled by how little common sense alot of you have.
Posted on 3/10/26 at 6:23 am to AlterEd
quote:The assertion that Cancer research was classified by the CIA made no sense. I blew the thread off as silliness. But it's now gone 9 pages, so I decided to take a look.
This isn't quite "newly" declassified, but I guess it's just now making it to public light. Isn't it strange that people are just now discovering that anti-parasitics are effective at fighting cancer and the Soviets and CIA knew about it all the way back in 1950? Now why would they keep this research hidden for so long?
Turns out the original Soviet studies were never classified. The research was fully shared in 1946. Backstory: A Soviet husband and wife research team, Nina Kliueva and Grigorii Roskin, noticed that patients suffering from parasitic Chagas disease rarely had cancer.
They hypothesized the Chagas parasite might prefer tumor cells over nontumor cells and it could "mark" the tumor cells with parasite antigen enabling the body to attack the tumor or poison it. So they made a killed parasite prep and injected it into tumor cells. Early in vitro work appeared positive. Kliueva and Roskin shared their work with the US in 1946 with USSR state approval.
But Stalin changed his mind about sharing research, then went nuts. He shutdown any further exchange, put the two on trial as traitors, and nearly had them executed. Meanwhile, as is often the case, in vivo trials were loaded with problems not seen in vitro or in mice models. Toxicity was also not limited to the tumor. Further, tumor necrosis led both to severe infection and metastatic propensity. Eventually the Chagas KR prep was abandoned as unsuccessful.
So there was US no cover up, nor was there a cancer cure in 1950.
This post was edited on 3/10/26 at 7:26 am
Posted on 3/10/26 at 6:27 am to AlterEd
big pharmaa made that disappear
also the medical industry, Cancer is a trillion dollar money maker for them.
think of all the specialists, hospitals, doctors, treatments,etc. it's a gold mine for them.
also the medical industry, Cancer is a trillion dollar money maker for them.
think of all the specialists, hospitals, doctors, treatments,etc. it's a gold mine for them.
Posted on 3/10/26 at 6:40 am to stlslick
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big pharmaa made that disappear
It not only was not classified, it reached beyond research and medical journals and into the mainstream press!
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TIME
Medicine: KR for Cancer
July 8, 1946
The news was premature, perhaps, but too good to keep. Though they pointedly avoided any claim that they had found a cure for cancer, two Russian doctors last week made a cautious progress report on a promising line of attack.
In 1937 Dr. Grigori Roskin of Moscow University casually picked up an article on South America’s fatal Chagas’ disease, a protozoan infection spread chiefly by an acorn-sized insect, the triatoma. In female Chagas victims there is a wasting away of breast tissues, which are composed of large, spongy cells. Could it be, Dr. Roskin wondered, that the devouring parasitic trypanosomes are especially attracted to large cells? And that cancerous tissues, which are also made up of oversized cells, might also succumb to the same parasite?
Dr. Roskin imported some triatomas and turned them loose on mice implanted with cancerous tissues. Result: the cancers dwindled, and in the giant, half-destroyed cancer cells Roskin found active organisms of the Chagas disease. So far, so good —but when the trypanosomes had consumed the cancers, they attacked healthy tissues.
Suspecting that it was not the parasites themselves which attacked the giant cells, but an unidentified chemical which they secreted. Dr. Roskin called in his wife. A Moscow University microbiologist named Nina Klyueva, she developed a solution from inactivated trypanosomes —KR for the two doctors’ initials. Tests proved that the KR solution cured cancer implanted in mice, but did not harm healthy mice. To make sure that it had no ill effects on human beings, Dr. Roskin injected himself with the solution.
As far as the very limited supply of KR has permitted, clinical tests have also been made on human cancers (i.e., where the growths were not so large that their dissolution would cause malfunctions). One inoperable throat cancer, Drs. Roskin & Kluyeva report, disappeared in two weeks. In an unspecified number of other cases KR “reduced” or partially destroyed cancer. But a lot more evidence is needed, the doctors admit, before the usefulness of KR can be safely evaluated.
LINK
Posted on 3/10/26 at 6:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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We aren't discussing anything else until you address your earlier bullshite.
When did you go to medical school and get your MD?
When did you get yours? He cited his sources. Your know-it-all boyfriend was either ignorant or lying. And it doesn't require an MD to see that.
Posted on 3/10/26 at 6:46 am to BillyBobfan24_7
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When did you get yours?
He wasn't talking to me
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He cited his sources
Did you not read the thread?
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Your know-it-all boyfriend was either ignorant or lying.
Holy fricking shite
This fricking place
Posted on 3/10/26 at 6:47 am to FoTownBam
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Someone with an inability to think for themselves might ask this question. The rest of us realize that just because one person has knowledge, doesn’t mean that they necessarily have to share it with outsiders. Especially if there’s big money involved.
Oh, so one scientist had it figured out. He did the research with zero assistants, never published any progress papers, and eschewed the Nobel Prize for Science (and the financial reward that comes with it) in order to receive a payment from who? One nefarious Big Pharma Exec who did it without anyone in his company knowing? Your one man conspiracy surely indicates that YOU are the thinker, and I? A mere novice at the knee of such a strategist as yourself.
Posted on 3/10/26 at 6:57 am to Penrod
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Your one man conspiracy surely indicates that YOU are the thinker, and I? A mere novice at the knee of such a strategist as yourself.
These nuts prefer to debase themselves as long as they feel that retardation is somehow secret knowledge
Posted on 3/10/26 at 7:00 am to AlterEd
I had friend who found information during the covid years about anti-parasitic drugs being successful against cancers. I was pro-ivermectin and took it during covid, but I thought this was a bridge too far.
Well I'll be.
Well I'll be.
Posted on 3/10/26 at 7:12 am to DocYatesVA
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due to fear of litigation.
All of these medications have some side effects, but class action lawsuits and historical data shows that these companies are trying to recoup their losses on the front end knowing that there will be litigation going forward.
Man, I feel sorry for countries that need tort reform. Our system rocks.
Posted on 3/10/26 at 7:28 am to BillyBobfan24_7
quote:His sources were loaded with BS
He cited his sources.
Posted on 3/10/26 at 7:35 am to jp4lsu
quote:FWIW, the OP account is not actually about anti-parasitics despite insinuations to the contrary. It is about a killed-parasite preparation, a bit like killed-virus vaccines.
I was pro-ivermectin and took it during covid, but I thought this was a bridge too far.
Well I'll be.
Posted on 3/10/26 at 7:38 am to ole man
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The reason oncologist and the medical profession aren't utilizing these treatments is because they are all owned by the large hospital companies who determine how they practice medicine. they are not free to deviate from the hospital companies protocols or they loose their position.
This right here
It is worse than that. It goes beyond their place of employment.
1. Oncologist are the ONLY doctors that are allowed to make money off of the drugs they use.
2. They are only allowed to discuss approved treatments (national level approved) treatments. If they so much as mention any treatments like ivermectin or fenben they will lose their medical license.
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