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re: Christians: “The only thing more powerful than hate is love“
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:14 pm to imjustafatkid
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:14 pm to imjustafatkid
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Christian love involves calling people to repentance. Anyone preaching "love" without repentance is not preaching Christ.
So not unconditionally then
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Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:15 pm to SammyTiger
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Removing the “plank from your eye” does not negate that “the same way you judge others, you will be judged”
You should have taken the hint when I gave it to you.
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15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:15 pm to 0
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So not unconditionally then
No, it's unconditional, and freely given. You just have to repent of your sin and accept Him.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:17 pm to imjustafatkid
Ok, I’m gonna assume the hardcore, right wingers have justified the current administrative climate as God/Jesus-approved?
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Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:17 pm to CatahoulaCur
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That differentiation is helpful. I’m going to look into that. I know love isn’t warm fuzzy feelings, but never seen the willing good.
It is Aquinas and it's the best and most coherent definition of love anyone has ever given.
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And certainly it is an empty platitude in and of itself, but again it points to the loss of the Christian message… “love” in general has been hijacked by the left into as you said meaningless platitudes… however it isn’t a meaningless platitude to me. It’s an essential message that is tied to something I fundamentally don’t believe in. So, as Christians, how are we doing with this? Is this ok?… to me it’s not.
But the Left/BB will say this platitude and walk away from any question or dissent. As a Christian, just understand your response, stay firm in it, live your faith, and maybe you'll change some minds. There's not much else you can do. They are going to do what they are going to do.
But that does start with having a firm conviction on what these things mean, and going from there.
For instance., Aquinas would say that part of "loving" someone is to hold them accountable, to be honest with them, etc. even if it were to cause pain. That's why you can "love," the sinner and hate the sin, in fact, it's required. "Loving" someone does not mean letting them live and be, say, homosexual. Homosexuality is not a "good" thing, it is not ordered, and you need to do what you can through virtues to move someone away from that.
Not support it. Not let them do it. Etc. That specifically isn't love at all. But see how that crosses with what a modern interpretation of love would be?
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:17 pm to TigerAxeOK
quote:YES.
TPUSA is picking strange bedfellows because of politics, and i don't like it.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:18 pm to CatahoulaCur
No one called every illegal a rapist.
The US cannot save the rest of the world and still survive.
The US cannot save the rest of the world and still survive.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:18 pm to SammyTiger
I think part of the disagreement here is that we’re using the word judgment to mean different things.
Compassion and judgment aren’t opposites in the passage — they’re related. Compassion doesn’t mean refusing to make moral distinctions. It means how and why those distinctions are made. The moment you say someone is being harmed, treated unjustly, or led astray, you’ve already made a judgment. The question Jesus is pressing is whether that judgment is hypocritical, self-serving, or merciless.
That’s why the “plank and speck” example matters. Removing the plank doesn’t cancel judgment; it makes it honest. Jesus explicitly says the point of self-examination is so that you can see clearly to help your brother. Help requires discernment. If no judgment were involved at all, there’d be nothing to remove.
The “you’ll be judged by the same measure” line is about standards, not silence. If I judge harshly, I invite harshness. If I judge truthfully but without mercy, I should expect the same. Compassion governs judgment — it doesn’t replace it.
On the politics point, I don’t disagree that many Christians fail badly here. Moral clarity often gets fused with contempt, which violates the very standard Jesus sets. But misuse doesn’t redefine the teaching. Matthew 7 isn’t saying “never judge”; it’s saying “don’t judge as if you’re exempt, and don’t judge without mercy.”
So I think the real issue isn’t whether Christians should judge, but whether they can hold moral discernment and compassion at the same time. Jesus assumes they must — and condemns them when they don’t.
Compassion and judgment aren’t opposites in the passage — they’re related. Compassion doesn’t mean refusing to make moral distinctions. It means how and why those distinctions are made. The moment you say someone is being harmed, treated unjustly, or led astray, you’ve already made a judgment. The question Jesus is pressing is whether that judgment is hypocritical, self-serving, or merciless.
That’s why the “plank and speck” example matters. Removing the plank doesn’t cancel judgment; it makes it honest. Jesus explicitly says the point of self-examination is so that you can see clearly to help your brother. Help requires discernment. If no judgment were involved at all, there’d be nothing to remove.
The “you’ll be judged by the same measure” line is about standards, not silence. If I judge harshly, I invite harshness. If I judge truthfully but without mercy, I should expect the same. Compassion governs judgment — it doesn’t replace it.
On the politics point, I don’t disagree that many Christians fail badly here. Moral clarity often gets fused with contempt, which violates the very standard Jesus sets. But misuse doesn’t redefine the teaching. Matthew 7 isn’t saying “never judge”; it’s saying “don’t judge as if you’re exempt, and don’t judge without mercy.”
So I think the real issue isn’t whether Christians should judge, but whether they can hold moral discernment and compassion at the same time. Jesus assumes they must — and condemns them when they don’t.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:19 pm to imjustafatkid
which part of those paragraphs gives negates the parts I quoted?
I feel like i’ve seen plenty Christian point to jesus driving demons as license to attack people. Yet as you quoted here is he is saying:
I feel like i’ve seen plenty Christian point to jesus driving demons as license to attack people. Yet as you quoted here is he is saying:
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Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:19 pm to CatahoulaCur
I like the one about "hate the sin, not the sinner"
What a jokester.
What a jokester.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:19 pm to CharlesLSU
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Ok, I’m gonna assume the hardcore, right wingers have justified the current administrative climate as God/Jesus-approved?
That's true. You definitely assume.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:20 pm to CharlesLSU
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Ok, I’m gonna assume the hardcore, right wingers have justified the current administrative climate as God/Jesus-approved?
So you think that's what is being referenced with regard to "hate" here?
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:21 pm to SammyTiger
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which part of those paragraphs gives negates the parts I quoted?
All of it. We are not called to roll over and allow evil to take over the world.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:24 pm to imjustafatkid
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All of it. We are not called to roll over and allow evil to take over the world.
all of it?
Are you serious? Jesus just told you not to judge for no reason?
Telling you not to follow false prophets doesn’t seem to be the same thing as going out and condemning your neighbor
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:25 pm to imjustafatkid
You are being lectured to by a radical leftist atheist.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:27 pm to roadGator
Me?
I’m not an atheist.
I’m not an atheist.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:28 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:So, conditioned on repentance and acceptance...
No, it's unconditional, and freely given. You just have to repent of your sin and accept Him.
This post was edited on 2/9/26 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:30 pm to CatahoulaCur
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Labeling other humans as criminals
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Again, they are breaking the law,
You're using emotion over logic.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:32 pm to SammyTiger
quote:This shows an amazing lack of understanding on your part -- even after I provided you more information that you chose to not respond to.
Are you serious? Jesus just told you not to judge for no reason?
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:33 pm to imjustafatkid
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Distinction without a difference. It is impossible to change your mind and not your ways.
I know no one who’s changed their ways to align themselves with God’s perfect expectations in keeping the 613 laws in the OT, much less the 9 of 10 we speak of keeping. Matter of fact when Jesus ratchet them up to the Jews in the Sermon on the Mount, it became even more impossible to keep perfectly as required in Matthew 5:48 after He buried them in their inabilities to achieve righteousness. If it were being better, He would have said so rather than absolute perfection.
Truth is, without Jesus’ righteousness given to believers, we cannot please God with our doing better, as that is a foolish endeavor. The only thing that pleases God is doing His will, and that is to believe upon His Son for it all. Otherwise, we’re the savior, and not Him.
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