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re: Christians: “The only thing more powerful than hate is love“
Posted on 2/9/26 at 2:14 pm to CatahoulaCur
Posted on 2/9/26 at 2:14 pm to CatahoulaCur
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When we see this, do we celebrate the greatest message of Jesus is being broadcast to the world or are we angry? Or are we disappointed that love has been “hijacked” by progressives? Are we mad it’s being used against its intended purposes, so we reject the message completely?… I’m guessing this is the main sticking point for most.
It’s sad to see a quote like this cause such divisive emotions, especially by Christians that are conservatives… is this sustainable? Anyone else wake up feeling a little convicted by their own initial reaction or the reaction from other people you respect as Christ followers?
Forest and trees. The simple answer is that many, many people mean very different things with the term "love." Even within Christian denominations.
And it is definitely a big difference between Christians and what the Left means, which is how BB was probably intending.
Love is not "positive feelings," or "happiness," or "pleasure towards another," etc. etc.
It is "willing the good of the Other," and that has a VERY particular meaning. "The good," is also not pleasure or happiness (the way we define it), etc. etc.
The statement in the OP is just an empty platitude with no meaning.
This post was edited on 2/9/26 at 3:19 pm
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Posted on 2/9/26 at 2:27 pm to CatahoulaCur
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Christian conservatives are 100% wrong right now on the treatment of immigrants.
Ah, I see now. You somehow see the enforcement of immigration law as incompatible with personal faith in Christ, but that's a "you" problem. Or more accurately a "your theology" problem.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 2:28 pm to Freauxzen
That differentiation is helpful. I’m going to look into that. I know love isn’t warm fuzzy feelings, but never seen the willing good.
And certainly it is an empty platitude in and of itself, but again it points to the loss of the Christian message… “love” in general has been hijacked by the left into as you said meaningless platitudes… however it isn’t a meaningless platitude to me. It’s an essential message that is tied to something I fundamentally don’t believe in. So, as Christians, how are we doing with this? Is this ok?… to me it’s not.
And certainly it is an empty platitude in and of itself, but again it points to the loss of the Christian message… “love” in general has been hijacked by the left into as you said meaningless platitudes… however it isn’t a meaningless platitude to me. It’s an essential message that is tied to something I fundamentally don’t believe in. So, as Christians, how are we doing with this? Is this ok?… to me it’s not.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 2:32 pm to CatahoulaCur
Enemies can be resisted and fought against without being hated.
Our present day society (mostly) doesn't understand this. Right and just choices and decisions have to made and everyone will not get what they want..... because what's right, good, and best isn't what progressives believe.
Our present day society (mostly) doesn't understand this. Right and just choices and decisions have to made and everyone will not get what they want..... because what's right, good, and best isn't what progressives believe.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 2:33 pm to theballguy
Fair questions.
By “sin running its course,” Paul doesn’t mean God actively inflicting harm. In Romans 1 he’s describing what happens when people persistently turn away from what is good and true: disordered desires, fractured relationships, and loss of moral clarity compound over time. Judgment is described as God “giving them over” — stepping back and allowing chosen trajectories to play out, rather than intervening with punishment.
On the second point: Paul doesn’t argue that truth depends on God making a personal appearance to each individual. He assumes that God has already acted publicly in history and made enough known for a real response. Whether someone feels the need for that offer right now isn’t his test. His claim is that human self-assessment (“my life is fine”) isn’t a reliable measure of ultimate reality — especially over time.
You may still reject that framework, which is fair. But that’s different from the idea that Christianity is about God threatening people into belief.
As an aside, I grew up in a church that preached hellfire and damnation which did real damage to a young person trying to figure things out. In that church 'doubt' was a moral failure. I disconnected from Christianity for decades because that framework did not allow for intellectual integrity. Instead I adopted philosophy that at least allowed for questioning beliefs. It was decades later that life experience allowed me/forced me to reconsider -- this time without the influence of errant preachers. How surprised I was as an adult to read how doubt was an accepted part of humanity by Jesus.
By “sin running its course,” Paul doesn’t mean God actively inflicting harm. In Romans 1 he’s describing what happens when people persistently turn away from what is good and true: disordered desires, fractured relationships, and loss of moral clarity compound over time. Judgment is described as God “giving them over” — stepping back and allowing chosen trajectories to play out, rather than intervening with punishment.
On the second point: Paul doesn’t argue that truth depends on God making a personal appearance to each individual. He assumes that God has already acted publicly in history and made enough known for a real response. Whether someone feels the need for that offer right now isn’t his test. His claim is that human self-assessment (“my life is fine”) isn’t a reliable measure of ultimate reality — especially over time.
You may still reject that framework, which is fair. But that’s different from the idea that Christianity is about God threatening people into belief.
As an aside, I grew up in a church that preached hellfire and damnation which did real damage to a young person trying to figure things out. In that church 'doubt' was a moral failure. I disconnected from Christianity for decades because that framework did not allow for intellectual integrity. Instead I adopted philosophy that at least allowed for questioning beliefs. It was decades later that life experience allowed me/forced me to reconsider -- this time without the influence of errant preachers. How surprised I was as an adult to read how doubt was an accepted part of humanity by Jesus.
This post was edited on 2/9/26 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 2/9/26 at 2:35 pm to scottydoesntknow
God does not give conditional gifts. That would be attributing human actions. God is not like us
Posted on 2/9/26 at 2:38 pm to CatahoulaCur
quote:It depends on what specific treatment you are describing. Deportation? That's the law and it's fine to do. There is no biblical misalignment -- in fact, we're to obey the laws. If done inhumanely or abusively, then yes that would be a problem.
We should be able to say “this behavior is wrong” in the treatment to the individual regardless of not of the end goal is correct.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 2:42 pm to CatahoulaCur
Progressives consider "love" to be accepting of anyone who isnt straight and/or white simply because of their skin color or sexual orientation. Disapproving of someone's behavior and/or choices, also, isnt "hate".
That isnt the love that the Bible teaches about.
That isnt the love that the Bible teaches about.
This post was edited on 2/9/26 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 2/9/26 at 2:43 pm to FredBear
Name someone on here that celebrated the killing. You could disagree with Kirk's overall intent without thinking he deserved to get killed for it.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 2:50 pm to imjustafatkid
iS jesus telling someone to repent their sins the same as you?
Jesus also said “judge not, that you not be judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use. it will be measured back to you”
Jesus also said “judge not, that you not be judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use. it will be measured back to you”
Posted on 2/9/26 at 2:52 pm to Canon951
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The change of mind brings on a change of behavior to different degrees in different people. We are not the judges of that or where they are in their walk with God. We are all sinners and if we think we have conquered most or even all of our sins then we are prideful....which is a sin...lol. God knows who belongs to him. But repentance in it's rawest sense is to change your mind about something. And if you really believe it then your attitude and behavior will follow.
We agree. People who change their mind also change their ways. No, that does not always mean it is an instant change.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 2:53 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
iS jesus telling someone to repent their sins the same as you?
Yes.
quote:
Jesus also said “judge not, that you not be judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use. it will be measured back to you”
This is a perversion of His Sermon on the Mount that is only used by progressives who ignore the entirety of the rest of His sermon.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 2:55 pm to imjustafatkid
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This is a perversion of His Sermon on the Mount that is only used by progressives who ignore the entirety of the rest of His sermon.
That’s a direct quote from Matthew 7.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 2:57 pm to RoyalWe
100% agree. I’d also add in how we think about these people as well. Everyone of you would do the same thing for your family if you didn’t hit the genetic lottery of being born in the U.S.
Labeling other humans as criminals and demonizing isn’t ok with me. Again, they are breaking the law, they should follow the law, each of you would do the same for your family in their shoes, but labeling them “rapists and murderers” is a bridge too far gone for me. As a Christian, we should fight this type of language/ behavior, right?
Labeling other humans as criminals and demonizing isn’t ok with me. Again, they are breaking the law, they should follow the law, each of you would do the same for your family in their shoes, but labeling them “rapists and murderers” is a bridge too far gone for me. As a Christian, we should fight this type of language/ behavior, right?
Posted on 2/9/26 at 2:58 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Matthew 7 doesn’t say Christians shouldn’t judge — it says they shouldn’t judge hypocritically. Jesus explicitly says to remove the log from your own eye so that you can see clearly to help your brother. A few verses later he tells people to identify false prophets “by their fruits,” which obviously requires judgment. The passage condemns self-righteousness, not discernment.
That’s a direct quote from Matthew 7.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:00 pm to TigerAxeOK
Kid Rock had numerous flings with some porn stars. I am sure that they were praying after the anal sex.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:01 pm to CatahoulaCur
A statement can be true on its face while being an empty vessel that is unhelpful because it is simply being used as an empty vessel that you can load with whatever meaning you want. "Black Lives Matter" is certainly true but is often loaded with meaning well beyond the simple phrase. Even a phrase like "Christ is king" that I find especially meaningful to me can be destorted by the likes of people like Candace Owens. My reply to this phrase would be, how do you define hate, and how do you define love. Then we can figure out if we agree or not.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:07 pm to RoyalWe
again I posted the direct quote.
Removing the “plank from your eye” does not negate that “the same way you judge others, you will be judged”
Judging others without compassion in your heart will lead you to be judged without compassion.
Most people won’t hold up to that level of judgement
Jesus tells you to remove the plank from your eye so you can help your brother remove the speck from
his, but you can help people without judging them.
in terms of US politics I see almost no compassion from the Conservative Christian right
Removing the “plank from your eye” does not negate that “the same way you judge others, you will be judged”
Judging others without compassion in your heart will lead you to be judged without compassion.
Most people won’t hold up to that level of judgement
Jesus tells you to remove the plank from your eye so you can help your brother remove the speck from
his, but you can help people without judging them.
in terms of US politics I see almost no compassion from the Conservative Christian right
This post was edited on 2/9/26 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:12 pm to CatahoulaCur
quote:Well, it depends on what's communicated and how it's communicated, right? I don't think I've heard DJT say that all illegal immigrants are rapists and murderers. If he said that, then he's a dumbass because it defies plausibility. If he said that there are rapists and murderers in that group, well then he's right. Is that a bridge too far? Are people not able to discern that he's discussing a subset of the overall population? Is that your objection -- that people can't reason it out?
but labeling them “rapists and murderers” is a bridge too far gone for me
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:13 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
That’s a direct quote from Matthew 7.
Thank you for confirming what I said. Now read the rest.
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