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Christians are to submit to governmental authorities, if …
Posted on 9/15/21 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 9/15/21 at 4:31 pm
Are Christians called to submit to governmental authorities?
It is conditional. Children are called to submit to their parents, but parents are called to protect and defend their children. Wives are called to submit to their husbands, but husbands are called to defend and protect their wives, even at the cost of their lives.
So yes we are to submit to the government, and the government is called to defend, to protect and to be ethical. When the government fails its side are we called to submit? Are we to submit to the government of the beast? When the government wants to harm your children, are we to submit? What about when one government entity(state) conflicts with another government entity(feds). The Christian’s duty is to God and not man. Agree? Disagree?
It is conditional. Children are called to submit to their parents, but parents are called to protect and defend their children. Wives are called to submit to their husbands, but husbands are called to defend and protect their wives, even at the cost of their lives.
So yes we are to submit to the government, and the government is called to defend, to protect and to be ethical. When the government fails its side are we called to submit? Are we to submit to the government of the beast? When the government wants to harm your children, are we to submit? What about when one government entity(state) conflicts with another government entity(feds). The Christian’s duty is to God and not man. Agree? Disagree?
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Posted on 9/15/21 at 4:34 pm to Padme
There are some bible verses on this topic if you want to know what Christian viewpoint is.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 4:40 pm to Padme
Romans 13 calls us to submit to the governing authorities.
The governing authority in the United States is the constitution. Hence why Joe Biden swore on a Bible to uphold the Constitution. Not his authority.
If a leader goes against the authority of the constitution we follow Romans 13 by disobeying said leader.
We must follow scripture first and constitution second if we are to be biblically grounded Christians in America. When the ruling authority of your land goes against scripture. You must disobey. Luckily the constitution is rich with biblical principles.
Just because Joe Biden and current fascist running the show have made it clear they don’t submit themselves to the ruling authority doesn’t mean we get to throw the constitution out.
Romans 13 supports our cause. It doesn’t tell us to lay down to tyranny.
Excellent theological video.
The governing authority in the United States is the constitution. Hence why Joe Biden swore on a Bible to uphold the Constitution. Not his authority.
If a leader goes against the authority of the constitution we follow Romans 13 by disobeying said leader.
We must follow scripture first and constitution second if we are to be biblically grounded Christians in America. When the ruling authority of your land goes against scripture. You must disobey. Luckily the constitution is rich with biblical principles.
Just because Joe Biden and current fascist running the show have made it clear they don’t submit themselves to the ruling authority doesn’t mean we get to throw the constitution out.
Romans 13 supports our cause. It doesn’t tell us to lay down to tyranny.
Excellent theological video.
This post was edited on 9/15/21 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 9/15/21 at 4:43 pm to Padme
quote:"Give to Caesar what is Caesar's - give to God what is God's. Jesus
The Christian’s duty is to God and not man. Agree? Disagree?
Posted on 9/15/21 at 4:45 pm to Padme
Good Germans submitted to the Reich.
Good Soviets submitted to the Communist Party.
The Bible does say to render unto Caesar what belongs to him but I don't believe that there will be a citizenship scoreboard at the pearly gates.
Good Soviets submitted to the Communist Party.
The Bible does say to render unto Caesar what belongs to him but I don't believe that there will be a citizenship scoreboard at the pearly gates.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 4:45 pm to Diamondawg
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The Christian’s duty is to God and not man. Agree? Disagree?
"Give to Caesar what is Caesar's - give to God what is God's. Jesus
Who should be considered Caesar in a free self governing society?
Posted on 9/15/21 at 4:47 pm to Padme
We don't have a govt. It is their govt. And their I mean China and the ds.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 4:47 pm to Padme
This is what I care about...
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
Posted on 9/15/21 at 4:49 pm to Padme
That verse comes from Romans 13, written by a man who was executed for not submitting to authority
So obviously there is a specific context - submit to righteous authority
So obviously there is a specific context - submit to righteous authority
Posted on 9/15/21 at 5:04 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:I guess whoever ends up with ad valorem, sales and income taxes.
Who should be considered Caesar in a free self governing society?
Posted on 9/15/21 at 5:24 pm to Padme
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So yes we are to submit to the government, and the government is called to defend, to protect and to be ethical. When the government fails its side are we called to submit? Are we to submit to the government of the beast? When the government wants to harm your children, are we to submit? What about when one government entity(state) conflicts with another government entity(feds). The Christian’s duty is to God and not man. Agree? Disagree?
And yet - for nearly 50 years since Roe - many many many Christians have taken up arms in defense of (and in promotion of the imperial aims of) the US sovereign government which has outright sanctioned the murder of 10s of millions of unborn babies. If literal baby holocaust wasn't "unethical" and not "defending and protecting" citizens/the innocent, then I don't see how a vaccine mandate (or whatever else you are outraged about) would be.
Why have you been "submitting" to something 1000X worse, lo these many decades past?
This post was edited on 9/15/21 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 9/15/21 at 5:41 pm to Padme
Modern day American Country Club Christians will absolutely fold and follow whatever the govt says. There is no backbone anymore
Posted on 9/15/21 at 6:16 pm to Padme
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So yes we are to submit to the government, and the government is called to defend, to protect and to be ethical.
We see a clear illustration of civil disobedience in the OT when Daniel was ordered by the king to bow down to the golden idol of Nebuchadnezzar, but he refused, because his higher calling was to obey the word of God.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 6:37 pm to Padme
For God’s sake, don’t ask the current occupant of The Vatican.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 6:37 pm to Diamondawg
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"Give to Caesar what is Caesar's - give to God what is God's. Jesus
This quote from Matthew, Chapter 17 references to a question the Pharisees asked Jesus about paying taxes trying to trap Him. He asked for a coin then asked who was on it. He then told the Pharisees to render to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s. To me, it doesn’t mean we are to submit to any government other than to pay our taxes.
This post was edited on 9/15/21 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 9/15/21 at 6:41 pm to LSUnation78
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There are some bible verses on this topic if you want to know what Christian viewpoint is.
What if I, as a Christian, don't believe every single word of the Bible?
Posted on 9/15/21 at 6:41 pm to LSURep864
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Just because Joe Biden and current fascist running the show have made it clear they don’t submit themselves to the ruling authority doesn’t mean we get to throw the constitution out.
Yet the Constitution is as worthless as the parchment it is written upon if the ruling government willfully ignores it. Exerting our Natural Rights take precedence over any temporal government charter. This includes our right to institute a new government among men which will secure those very Natural Rights.
….Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 6:41 pm to Revelator
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We see a clear illustration of civil disobedience in the OT when Daniel was ordered by the king to bow down to the golden idol of Nebuchadnezzar, but he refused, because his higher calling was to obey the word of God.
There are several instances in Scripture where there is civil disobedience when it contradicts our belief in God.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 6:47 pm to Diamondawg
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"Give to Caesar what is Caesar's - give to God what is God's.
Matthew 22:15–21 — and the equivalent passages in Mark 12:13–17 and Luke 20:20–26 — are some of the most misunderstood verses in the Gospels.
Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. “Teacher,” they said, “we know that you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are. Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not?”
But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, “You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax.” They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?” “Caesar’s,” they replied. Then he said to them, “So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”
Christ here was not endorsing the power of the State but delineating the difference between man’s temporal realm and God’s eternal realm. Caesar’s realm derives it’s power from manipulation and violent coercion while God’s heavenly power is based in mercy and compassion. Christ is not instructing his followers to submit to Caesar’s realm but to reject the blasphemous claims of Caesar’s coinage — that Caesar is a God among men.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 6:54 pm to Bryno1960
quote:Speed limits, right on red after a stop, can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater, can't prescribe drugs without a license, etc,. etc.
To me, it doesn’t mean we are to submit to any government other than to pay our taxes.
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