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Posted on 4/20/21 at 3:45 pm to hogcard1964
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Nobody knew the inbred was dead.
Except everyone watching.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 3:45 pm to tigerfoot
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Except places to hurt himself. Leave him there to thrash around like a seal and you folks go nuts too.
This is accurate
Remember they burned down Baltimore bc they didn’t restrain the dude in the paddy wagon and he somehow had an overdose or a heart attack as a result
Posted on 4/20/21 at 3:45 pm to Wednesday
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Mickey- I must confess- I really haven’t followed the trial-the only forensic evidence I’ve reviewed is that toxicology report.
Fentanyl is lethal in small doses.
How does the presence of fentanyl alone fail to create reasonable doubt?
Especially if the only medical evidence presented by the prosecution was a photo that doesn’t depict the location of the knee. Did the prosecution present evidence that his airway was restricted (I really don’t know the answer) but if they failed to- they failed to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
I haven't followed super closely either, but I agree with you that the presence of fentanyl should create reasonable doubt, as least to the 2nd degree murder charge.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 3:46 pm to GumboPot
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Cavuto keep showing the still image with Chauvin's knee on his neck.
A still photo doesn't represent 9.5 minutes
Posted on 4/20/21 at 3:46 pm to GumboPot
quote:And keeps saying “knee on kneel for 9 minutes”
Cavuto keep showing the still image with Chauvin's knee on his neck.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 3:47 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Not to mention - the lack of specific intent
Posted on 4/20/21 at 3:47 pm to TK421
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He was still on him when Floyd was dead.
How was this determined?
Posted on 4/20/21 at 3:47 pm to OccamsStubble
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This was an unforced error.
Correct. Comply with the police officers the FIRST time and everything has a much different outcome.
America has lost it's ability to start holding people accountable for SELF RESPONSIBILITY.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 3:47 pm to tigerfoot
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And let the suspect hurt himself on the concrete? Really. Jesus you are naive.
not really. I would have done just that, as opposed to setting myself up for a murder charge. What Chauvin did was naive.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 3:47 pm to Wednesday
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Mickey- I must confess- I really haven’t followed the trial-the only forensic evidence I’ve reviewed is that toxicology report.
Fentanyl is lethal in small doses.
How does the presence of fentanyl alone fail to create reasonable doubt?
Especially if the only medical evidence presented by the prosecution was a photo that doesn’t depict the location of the knee. Did the prosecution present evidence that his airway was restricted (I really don’t know the answer) but if they failed to- they failed to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
The defense's closing should have been simply this:
The prosecution has to prove Derek Chauvin is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
What does that mean?
It means if they haven't proved that but for Derek Chauvin putting and holding his knee on George Floyd's shoulder or neck he would not have died that day, then you have to acquit.
But it's more than that.
It means that if it is REMOTELY POSSIBLE that George Floyd would have died even if Derek Chauvin had stayed 6 feet away from George Floyd, you have to acquit.
And, ladies and gentlemen, it is more than remotely possible that George Floyd would have died anyway.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 3:47 pm to PaperTiger
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A still photo doesn't represent 9.5 minutes
Right when you posted this Cavuto said "the prosecution showed the 9.5 minute video of Chauvin's knee on his neck".
Posted on 4/20/21 at 3:48 pm to Wednesday
Well the intent only comes into play for the 2nd degree murder charge and it doesn't have to be intent to kill, just intent to assault.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 3:48 pm to xGeauxLSUx
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xGeauxLSUx
Thank you
Posted on 4/20/21 at 3:48 pm to OccamsStubble
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not really. I would have done just that, as opposed to setting myself up for a murder charge. What Chauvin did was naive.
If he would have got up and ran head first into the cruiser you would still be screaming negligence.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 3:48 pm to udtiger
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It means that if it is REMOTELY POSSIBLE that George Floyd would have died even if Derek Chauvin had stayed 6 feet away from George Floyd, you have to acquit.
This is actually false. “Reasonable doubt” doesn’t mean “beyond all doubt”.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 3:49 pm to OccamsStubble
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not really. I would have done just that, as opposed to setting myself up for a murder charge. What Chauvin did was naive.
I agree. And the look on his face was that of a-hole cop being an a-hole. Now to be clear, it's not a crime to be an a-hole, so I'm not suggesting he should be found guilty. But the way he looked at the crowd yelling at him was stupid.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 3:49 pm to udtiger
That’s technically not true, as reasonable doubt doesn’t mean beyond all doubt. Reasonable doubt is actually a lower bar than many think, at least based on what the courts have upheld as reasonable doubt over the years.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 3:50 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Still in all - Reasonable doubt- he intended to restrain him - not to assault him.
Further, without causation you can’t even prove manslaughter or some other lesser charge. Even negligence
Further, without causation you can’t even prove manslaughter or some other lesser charge. Even negligence
Posted on 4/20/21 at 3:50 pm to Tiguar
Does anyone actually believe George Floyd would have lived through the rest of that afternoon, if Chauvin didn't put his knee on his shoulder or neck?
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