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re: CBO claims rescinding the 87k additional IRS agents will add $115 billion to the deficit.

Posted on 1/10/23 at 3:16 am to
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
30561 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 3:16 am to
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Thank gawd we got rid of him and elected the fiscally responsible Biden administration! *phew* really dodged one there.



I never said that. At all.


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Yep. Sure. Lots of Democrats lining up to cut social security and medicare. Can you name
one?


I never said they either. I’m not arguing the Dems are fiscally responsible by any means.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
30561 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 3:19 am to
That chart doesn’t show they are targeting middle class income individuals?
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/10/23 at 4:05 am to
Lolz
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/10/23 at 4:07 am to
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The only thing I can think of is the CBO is calculating the amount of taxes and penalties that will not be realized by 87k rabid IRS agents shaking down unsuspecting middle class Americans......with Boomers being the primary targets.

That's pretty much it. And in this case I'm ok with adding that much to the deficit. They need to simplify the tax code. Some people are no doubt unknowingly cheating
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/10/23 at 4:08 am to
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Sounds like each agent essentially has a quota tax to gather

Or, more accurately, the productivity of each agent can be estimated.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
165414 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 4:09 am to
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exactly what the CBO is thinking.....each new agent will generate and additional $100k in tax revenue above their salary and benefits cost to the government.


So eliminating them doesn't add to a deficit? Why would Democrats lie about something?

I swear some of you are borderline illiterate
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
11850 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 4:15 am to
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Show me

The upper end of middle income (for a family of 4 anyway) falls in the top 10%.
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Landing in the top 10% is a fairly attainable goal for upwardly mobile Americans. A study by the Economic Policy Institute (EPI), found that the average earnings of those in the top 10% were roughly $173,000 in 2020.

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The latest census numbers indicate what income ranges constitute the middle class (as of 2020). This will depend on family size. For a single individual, a middle-class income ranges from $30,000 - $90,000 per year. For a couple it starts at $42,430 up to $127,300; for a family of three, $60,000 - $180,000; and four $67,100 - $201,270


Are 87,000 agents going to limit themselves to the top 1%?

Not likely.
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 4:22 am
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23721 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 4:15 am to
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the productivity


Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
47693 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 4:57 am to
Only our government could reason that eliminating jobs that haven’t even been filled yet could add to the deficit
Posted by DingLeeBerry
Member since Oct 2014
11499 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 5:48 am to
Some of it is probably termination costs for a bunch of contracts already awarded. If that’s the case it would mean using a subset of dollars already reflected in the deficit to support a narrative of how much it’s going to cost to cancel all this.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
14053 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 5:56 am to
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CBO claims rescinding the 87k additional IRS agents will add $115 billion to the deficit.


So, that's like just a Tuesday afternoon payment to Ukraine.

Actually it would be better spent money.
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
22006 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 5:58 am to
Big deal. $115 billion is piss in a bucket to these assholes.
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 5:59 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
133470 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:01 am to
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CBO claims rescinding the 87k additional IRS agents will add $115 billion to the deficit. by Bass Tiger



Worth it. $115 B is a small price compared to the freedom that it will bring.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
108194 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:33 am to
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Can someone explain this? The only thing I can think of is the CBO is calculating the amount of taxes and penalties that will not be realized by 87k rabid IRS agents shaking down unsuspecting middle class Americans......with Boomers being the primary targets


Hit it on the first try.

Of course, this argument completely guts the Dems arguments that many of these are replacements for departed employees and the expected attrition over the coming years.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
165414 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:39 am to
One of the things that people aren't mentioning here is the following

If "stimulus" checks and such stimulate the economy then presumably if these agents successfully shake down enough people it will have a suppression effect on the economy even if it's a net positive to the federal budget. Something to consider.
Posted by johnnyrocket
Ghetto once known as Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2013
9790 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:41 am to
Not sending billions to Ukraine to be funneled back to politicians also saves money.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
39796 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:43 am to
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Reports have said these auditors are targeting middle class people, not high earners.


All levels of sociology-economic status will be targeted. They will just be Republican. I guarantee that the Revrun Al still gets a pass. Teedy too!
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 6:44 am
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
36594 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:53 am to
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Reports have said these auditors are targeting middle class people, not high earners.


This smells like a war on small business owners.

Plus how much have we given Ukraine? They sure aren’t worried about that 100b.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
37301 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 7:00 am to
Inflate their money, cut their NG heat off, open the Border to the 3rd World poor, sic Government extortionists on em’ and the hard working and productive Middle Class goes down. Hard! But not without some serious payback when they do. Just a matter of time.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
120531 posts
Posted on 1/10/23 at 7:01 am to
Who cares if it does?

$115B wouldn’t fund Ukraine for a year.

It’s a pittance.
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