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re: Catholics in America have fallen
Posted on 11/12/25 at 12:31 pm to SallysHuman
Posted on 11/12/25 at 12:31 pm to SallysHuman
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quote:But everyone who is confirmed is struggling with sin. Period.
True. But struggling with sin is not the same as happily, unrepentantly living in sin. There truly is a distinction.
Great post, Sally.
There is a faction within the church who use weaponized ambiguity to push an agenda that is unbiblical and contrary to the catechism. Fr. James Martin is one of those.
So was Pope Francis, and increasingly, it looks like Pope Leo as well. It’s a big problem worldwide in secular culture as well, an expression and a tool of post-modernists.
That said, the tide is turning among the clergy. Priests 40 and under are 5 to 1 conservative or moderate leaning versus progressive/liberal.
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Posted on 11/12/25 at 12:32 pm to el Gaucho
quote:Not quite. Several Reformed and Presbyterian denominations have actually gotten more conservative.
Every denomination has gone liberal
quote:The SBC may be on the verge of splitting in the next decade due to internal conflict and controversies, and some liberalization taking place.
except the Southern Baptists.
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Which makes sense considering they were the first. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and He was from the south of Jerusalem
It seems like you're trolling, but there's more to denominational truth than the mode of baptism.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 12:32 pm to hawgfaninc
Yep, it's not the smoke of satan that lingers around the Chair of Peter - it is satan himself.
Hey, our Lord Jesus founded the Catholic Church and if anyone can undo the work of satan in His Church it will have to be Him. After all, the Catholic Church is NOT a democracy she is a Theocracy. I tried to fight this gay agenda in my former diocese - I still have the emotional and spiritual scars to show for it..
But I take consolation that not all regions or Bishops in the United States are embracing the gay agenda. Haven't seen any evidence that my "new" Bishop has implemented gay friendly changes in my parish.
I'll say it - Jorge Mario Bergoglio was a disaster.
Ercole Cardinal Consalvi, please pray for us.
Hey, our Lord Jesus founded the Catholic Church and if anyone can undo the work of satan in His Church it will have to be Him. After all, the Catholic Church is NOT a democracy she is a Theocracy. I tried to fight this gay agenda in my former diocese - I still have the emotional and spiritual scars to show for it..
But I take consolation that not all regions or Bishops in the United States are embracing the gay agenda. Haven't seen any evidence that my "new" Bishop has implemented gay friendly changes in my parish.
I'll say it - Jorge Mario Bergoglio was a disaster.
Ercole Cardinal Consalvi, please pray for us.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 12:35 pm to Snipe
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So as a Catholic this story neither offends me nor makes me angry. It's a non story because it does not involve the Catholic church nor does it reflect on the Catholic church as a whole in union with the Vatican and Cannon law.
Are you purposely obtuse?
This "confirmation" takes place at St. Paul the Apostle Catholic Church in Manhattan.
The fact that the church is named for St. Paul is especially outrageous, since Paul was very vocally opposed to homosexual acts.
Every priest involved in this apostasy should be stripped of his collar.
The fact, too, that this queen was inspired by Pope Francis speaks volumes to what that pope did to the church.
Pope Leo needs to set things right.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 12:38 pm to hawgfaninc
Somewhere between condoning homosexual behavior and throwing them off of roofs there must be some middle way to condemn non-violently.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 12:38 pm to el Gaucho
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Every denomination has gone liberal except the Southern Baptists. Which makes sense considering they were the first. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and He was from the south of Jerusalem
Wow. Just wow. That is some convoluted logic to get there. Jesus didn’t institute the church until much later in his public ministry. When he did it most closely resembled one of the apostolic churches of today - the Catholic Churches - Latin, Roman, Russian, Greek, orthodox.
Get back to me when baptists have the full sacramental life and the real presence of Jesus in the tabernacle.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 12:41 pm to Freauxzen
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As a Catholic - there are sacraments where you can turn people away... and some where it's a much greyer line.
If you are in a state of mortal sin you can not receive any sacraments from the Catholic church clergy. If you conceal your mortal sin and receive a sacrament it is invalid and you are further adding to your misery.
Not to say you cannot attend church because all are welcome, but in a state of mortal sin you cannot be formally accepted into the church receive the rites.
That is black and white, not gray in the least.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 12:45 pm to Snipe
I would think there's trouble with the validity of this confirmation if his gay husband is his sponsor. Your confirmation sponsor is supposed to help guide you to live a Catholic lifestyle. That can't happen if it's someone you're in a sinful relationship with.
As far as a sinful person receiving confirmation (or any sacrament), as long as they aren't in a state of mortal sin then I don't see the issue. Receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit in confirmation should actually help that person turn away from sin. Simply being gay isn't the issue here, it's the fact that his "husband" is his sponsor
As far as a sinful person receiving confirmation (or any sacrament), as long as they aren't in a state of mortal sin then I don't see the issue. Receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit in confirmation should actually help that person turn away from sin. Simply being gay isn't the issue here, it's the fact that his "husband" is his sponsor
Posted on 11/12/25 at 12:48 pm to Snipe
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If he is a gay man in an open and confessed relationship with another gay man he is therefore in a state of mortal sin and cannot under cannon law receive any sacrament of the Catholic church i.e. Baptism, Confirmation, the Eucharist, Reconciliation (or Penance/Confession), Anointing of the Sick, Holy Orders, and Matrimony.
He can absolutely receive the sacrament of Reconciliation, provided he’s properly penitent. God’s love and forgiveness is open to everyone.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 12:50 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Get back to me when baptists have the full sacramental life and the real presence of Jesus in the tabernacle
It’s called a church brother your denomination sounds woke
Posted on 11/12/25 at 12:50 pm to mtntiger
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Are you purposely obtuse?
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Every priest involved in this apostasy should be stripped of his collar.
The fact, too, that this queen was inspired by Pope Francis speaks volumes to what that pope did to the church.
Pope Leo needs to set things right.
Why don't you let the Lord be in control for a while. His ways are not our ways. Do you think he is blind to his church? It may just be that you and I don't get to see his judgment of the bad actors in the Church. It may also just be that you and I are supposed to increase our faith in all of this.
People always talk about trusting in Jesus but not may do. Let go of it and be the best Catholic you can be. And don't let satans plans derail Jesus' plans in you.
I don't know about you but I'm not in a position to affect anything in that church or any church really, so any anger I let come into my heart only works for satans plan and I wont allow that if I can help it at all.
This post was edited on 11/12/25 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 11/12/25 at 12:50 pm to prouddawg
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More importantly, female pastors are forbidden, biblically
True. The book I'm reading explains that the reason for some Quakers to allow female pastors is because they immigrated from a town in England that had a large population of Scandinavians. Those Viking women had a lot of political power.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:01 pm to Ingeniero
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As far as a sinful person receiving confirmation (or any sacrament), as long as they aren't in a state of mortal sin then I don't see the issue.
This is why I was sure to specify mortal sin.
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Receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit in confirmation should actually help that person turn away from sin. Simply being gay isn't the issue here, it's the fact that his "husband" is his sponsor
The Holy Spirit is not bound by anything, so doesn't need the sacrament of confirmation to work on our hearts. You can not move to God until the Holy Spirit moves in you.
It's not simply being gay that's the problem. It's acting on that feeling that puts someone in mortal sin.
Admittedly he is married to another man and both are in mortal sin because of that (assuming that they engage in sexual contact as "married" people would) This is a hard stop, and first their marriage is invalid and not recognized by the church therefore they are living in a homosexual relationship outside of marriage (which we already concluded that they can not achieve being homosexuals) they can not receive any of the 7 sacraments of the Catholic church.
They obviously didn't lie about it to the clergy so the clergy is culpable in that sin and may put the validity of any sacrament he issues to any church perisher at risk of being invalid.
This post was edited on 11/12/25 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:02 pm to hawgfaninc
Oh right... cause the prots haven't been gaying it up for awhile now
This post was edited on 11/12/25 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:07 pm to Godfather1
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He can absolutely receive the sacrament of Reconciliation, provided he’s properly penitent. God’s love and forgiveness is open to everyone.
He 100% can not while he is actively in a homosexual relationship.
That's a fact and if a priest knowingly gives reconciliation to someone they know to be actively on sin they themselves are at risk.
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God’s love and forgiveness is open to everyone.
It 100% is but not everyone gets it because they refuse to humble themselves and repent of their mortal sins and remain in a state of grace.
And it's not God refusing to give you forgiveness its sinful people who refuse it accept it by rejecting Gods laws.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:11 pm to Snipe
Is this the kind of stuff they discuss at the ACTS retreat the red shirt mafia tries to get me into every few weeks after mass?
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:16 pm to Snipe
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If you are in a state of mortal sin you can not receive any sacraments from the Catholic church clergy. If you conceal your mortal sin and receive a sacrament it is invalid and you are further adding to your misery.
Yes, buutttt.....
Do you know if he did or did go to confession and honestly repent?
Look, we can make assumptions, but unfortunately you can't actually act on them. (And look, I agree with you, there's like a 99% chance this dude did not go to confession, or if he did, probably has done something in the last 24 hours that is right back at mortal sin).
But that's not a distinction we can act or rule on unfortunately. That's not our place.
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Not to say you cannot attend church because all are welcome, but in a state of mortal sin you cannot be formally accepted into the church receive the rites.
That is black and white, not gray in the least.
What i meant by grey is - no the church won't marry a gay couple. black and white.
But grey - We can't effectively "ban," confirmation for people, even if there are some obvious problems.
There's no difference from this guy getting confirmed in a homosexual relationship and a heterosexual young adult getting confirmed then also committing a mortal sin before or after or both.
This can always happen.
This post was edited on 11/12/25 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:19 pm to hawgfaninc
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Fr. James Martin
this guy's as Catholic as Joseph Smith - so I'm guessing those other priests are as well - thanks to the Jesuits for shite like this.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:19 pm to SallysHuman
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But struggling with sin is not the same as happily, unrepentantly living in sin. There truly is a distinction.
100%
But it's not a distinction that we can ALWAYS act on.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 1:23 pm to hawgfaninc
When I entered the Church, my wife had get an annulment from her ex via the church. It was a long procedure and someone from the Diocese called her witnesses. I was told I could not enter the Church until the annulment was approved. It took almost a year and I was Confirmed at Pentecost a couple years back.
I'm honestly disappointed that this is allowed in the Church. The Catechism clearly defines a marriage as being between one man and one woman. And If that's not good enough, it's in the Bible as well.
I'm honestly disappointed that this is allowed in the Church. The Catechism clearly defines a marriage as being between one man and one woman. And If that's not good enough, it's in the Bible as well.
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