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re: Cancelling student loan debt seems like an incredibly unfair policy (re: warren)

Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:05 am to
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:05 am to
quote:

nobody forced college students to take on so much debt in the first place


BUT BUT BUT EVERYBODY MUST GO TO COLLEGE TO BE SUCCESSFUL!!!1!!!!!1!1!
Posted by laxtonto
Member since Mar 2011
1912 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:07 am to
What I find interesting is the income caps on these as well.

My wife and I both have PhDs and because of that much more college debt than the standard undergrad. But since we are married and since we have advanced degrees and therefore jobs as well, there is no way that we qualify for any form of debt remission.

Basically this rewards those that are not smart enough to realize to never take out more in student loans than what your starting salary would be and penalizes those of us that accrued debt to actually continue our education.

Stupid concept across the board, but by placing a cap on it just makes it even more of a blatant grab to just "buy" the millennial vote.
This post was edited on 6/17/19 at 11:08 am
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112553 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:09 am to
A poster on the OT put it really well one day, "Everyone thinks vo tech should get more focus. But how many people are telling their kids to go to community college?"

ie. everyone else's kid should get a trade
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:09 am to
Dont want kids to keeping getting unnecessary college degrees? Tell companies to stop requiring degrees to apply for jobs.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52764 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:09 am to
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Cancelling student loan debt seems like an incredibly unfair policy (re: warren)



What's funny, is that the second the government took over student loans (2009, 2010), is the second student loan debt started skyrocketing and college costs did too.

So now, we should let the government "fix it"? Please, any liberal explain why they give so much faith in these retarded politicians?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:09 am to
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But I'm actually going to disagree here. The overwhelming climate of our policies, of our business practices, of how we think about Higher Education from all sides, all but forces people into college.
Nope. Not really. And, in fact, if it's even true at all, it's precisely because every swinging dick CAN go to college right now because we throw free(temporarily) money at them.

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Business requiring degrees at unprecedented levels, even for entry level positions, is a BIG part of the problem.
You're looking at a symptom and thinking it's the disease.

They "require" degrees for everyfrickinthing because EVERYONE has one!
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They are reducing HR spend, and basically making college, not their own processes, the filter for applicants. All while increasing the pool of applicants. The private sector has taken advantage of the point of college in a pretty bad way.
The private sector isn't "taking advantage". It's doing what basically ANY rational process would do.

Getting a degree today is pretty much as easy as getting a HS diploma was 60 years ago. So, not having one makes you look like you're lazy even though obviously, that's not always true. BUT THIS ONLY EXISTS BECAUSE EVERYONE WILLING TO GET OFF THEIR arse CAN GO! FREE MONEY!!!

Cut of the free money.....and blammo, in fairly short order, every swinging dick doesn't have a degree and employers will find that the number of people they need exceeds the number walking thru the door with a degree.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:11 am to
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BUT BUT BUT EVERYBODY MUST GO TO COLLEGE TO BE SUCCESSFUL!!!1!!!!!1!1!



What's sad is, this is almost completely true but not for the reason most people think.

The reason is that I guarantee you, for easily 90% of the people out there, the last think they learned was the last thing someone DIRECTLY taught them.

People don't learn jack shite on their own anymore. Literally everyone who can read and has a computer in America could be an absolute EXPECT at MS Excel and MS Access inside of 12 months ON THEIR OWN.

But none of them will frickin do it
Posted by AustinTigr
Austin, TX
Member since Dec 2004
2937 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:12 am to
My daughter’s dream college is Notre Dame. We can’t afford that in the best of situations. So she’s looking at something in our means.

Liberals would have her run up the bill as high as possible with no consideration of what she can afford, because the government will take care of it.

She has a chance of this strategy working, after all she’s female. My white sons however...
This post was edited on 6/17/19 at 11:13 am
Posted by thejudge
Westlake, LA
Member since Sep 2009
14037 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:13 am to
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also unfair to those who worked their asses off and paid for it the hard way vs those that get a free ride out of it.....


I want my 15k check back I cut last summer while simultaneously having to replace my entire AC unit tying my hands the rest of the year for shite I wanted to do....

I also want back everything I paid in interest then.

frick this noise.

If you work your arse off enough in school you would qualify for scholarships. Or if you really wanted to go then take loans out from a private entity.

Gov needs to gtf out of school loans
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19105 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:17 am to
Life isn’t fair.

We do need to end this free money madness, and we should look at forgiveness as part of that.

What is the economic and social cost of a high debt burden? Is it preventing people from starting families? There may be scenarios where forgiveness makes economic sense. It also may not.

Either way, we have to turn off the free money spigot. We’ve created runaway inflation.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37031 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:25 am to
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BUT.......you have to look at what THEY are valuing IN THE MOMENT.

1. Hey mom, I'm going to college just like you asked

2. You mean I get to party while the govt gives me money.....even enough to buy a car on the side.........and not pay for it until I stop going to school. Well shite, no problem. I won't stop going(12 year plan)


So, at what point does Mom share in the blame for encouraging/teaching this behavior?

To me, this is no different than mom telling daughter, don't have sex until you get married, so daughter gets married at 19 to a shithead.

Again, you are kinda proving my point. 18 year olds are incapable of making intelligent decisions when it comes to school choice, what to study, and how to finance it. And they aren't getting any help from parents, schools, etc. So they are just winging it.

And I know a LOT of high school students due to some of my volunteer work. I can promise you, many of them don't realize what degrees will result in what level of income. They DO think the modern dance student will make what the engineer makes.

The reality is, students who are this dumb don't need to be going to ANY 4 year college right away. They need to join the Army and grow up, or they need to go to Delgado or BRCC where the financial impact of their idiocy can be muted. But again, as a society, we don't want to tell them that.
Posted by Bulldogblitz
In my house
Member since Dec 2018
26774 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:28 am to
bbbbbuttt it's unfair to charge tuition to gender studies and other degree paths that are useless.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259935 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:29 am to
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Everyone thinks vo tech should get more focus. But how many people are telling their kids to go to community college?"


When I was 18 I made my own decisions. The younger generations appear still to be attached to the umbilical cord. The lack of ability to think independently is shocking
Posted by mofungoo
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
4583 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:36 am to
Student loan forgiveness is a cheap way for Dimocrat politicians to buy votes at our expense. Cheap for them, that is, $$$$$ for everyone else.

MAGA
Posted by TimeOutdoors
AK
Member since Sep 2014
12120 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:37 am to
It is also irresponsible. Imagine being out of college and working on paying your debt back with all of this talk going on. Just how motivated would you be to make extra payments thinking you may be punished for doing so. All this talk does is keep students in debt longer.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37031 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:38 am to
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The younger generations appear still to be attached to the umbilical cord. The lack of ability to think independently is shocking


So... who's fault do you think that is?

My guess is your parents taught you the value of hard work and independence and working for what you wanted.

Who is doing the coddling and protecting at home and in school??
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259935 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:38 am to
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What is the economic and social cost of a high debt burden? Is it preventing people from starting families? There may be scenarios where forgiveness makes economic sense. It also may not.

Either way, we have to turn off the free money spigot. We’ve created runaway inflation.


The main problem with forgiving student loans is it just opens the floodgates to "free everything"

It's a backdoor entry to socialism
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112553 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:40 am to
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When I was 18 I made my own decisions. The younger generations appear still to be attached to the umbilical cord. The lack of ability to think independently is shocking



Did you go to vo tech out of high school? The point is everyone talks about how trades are not a bad option yet no one wants that for their kids over a white collar life.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259935 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:40 am to
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Who is doing the coddling and protecting at home and in school??


Don't know man. My kids kk arse.

They've all got an independent streak

Posted by mswiggins
Member since Jun 2014
361 posts
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:47 am to
Among the Class of 2018, 69% of college students took out student loans, and they graduated with an average debt of $29,800.

2019 Student Loan Debt Statistics

I know that some have more and some have less, but the average student loan debt is basically $30,000.

That is basically a car loan. Live frugally and pay it off.

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