re: Cancelling student loan debt seems like an incredibly unfair policy (re: warren)

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So, at what point does Mom share in the blame for encouraging/teaching this behavior?

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My response to this is simple. Sure. She bears some of the blame but, sorry. Every 18 year old alive DEMANDS freedom and independence.

But, even if we want to say, "but mom......". Sorry. Once you're an adult, no matter what mommy did to you, you have to grow the frick up out of it.

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To me, this is no different than mom telling daughter, don't have sex until you get married, so daughter gets married at 19 to a shithead.

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And, that's the daughter's fault. Blaming parents for your adult misdeeds is just lazy.

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And I know a LOT of high school students due to some of my volunteer work. I can promise you, many of them don't realize what degrees will result in what level of income.

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Well, honestly, that's just retarded. We live in a society with the most access to information EVER.

HS kids in the fricking 80s knew which degrees made the $$$. shite, it was often referenced in movies targeting HS kids. So WTF is up with this group today?

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The reality is, students who are this dumb don't need to be going to ANY 4 year college right away.

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Which brings us back to the fact that the only way they get to is because the govt is throwing "free" money at them.

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But again, as a society, we don't want to tell them that.

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While this is definitely true, just look at the reaction FROM YOUNG people, that people like Mike Rowe get.

You'd think he was asking them to consider going to concentration camps.

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FalseProphet

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You are a worthless POS !

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So... who's fault do you think that is?

My guess is your parents taught you the value of hard work and independence and working for what you wanted.

Who is doing the coddling and protecting at home and in school??

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To be fair, if you were a parent in 1980 trying to teach such things, you had virtually zero competition for your child's mind on this subject. Their teacher's called out their friggin test grades OUT LOUD from their desk. Competition existed in virtually every aspect of our lives. And, almost all of us had jobs. So, mom telling me I should go get a job didn't sound weird. EVERYONE I knew was getting a job and paying for their own expensive jeans.

TODAY, when you attempt to raise your kid the same way as I was raised, you are in OPEN CONFLICT with their school, their little league sports coaches, the other parents on your street and hell, in some ways, you're in conflict with the actual law itself.

When my adult child was in 3rd grade, just in passing, I asked the teacher why they didn't hold class spelling bees to challenge the kids on the accumulated spelling words list? She looked at me like I was a reptilian and let me know that doing so would make the kids who couldn't win feel badly about themselves.

I knew in that moment that I was a fricking one man show!

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Y'all seem to be a much more independent people up there.

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True

But even growing up in Louisiana it was similar. Levels of dependency and the idea of independence are being systematically stripped away
"You didn't build that"

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MarkFromBuffalo

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You are dumber than a bag of rocks.

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The main problem with forgiving student loans is it just opens the floodgates to "free everything"

It's a backdoor entry to socialism

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I would offer these individuals bankruptcy.

It would allow them to escape their debt, and move on with their lives, but they would still pay a price.

And I would permit anyone making new undergraduate loans bankruptcy as well. That would drive up interest rates, which is desirable.

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Doctor's should really stop with trying to find a cure for Cancer as well, because it would be just super unfair to my father who just died of cancer if I could be cured of it if I ever get it.

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Rates of crime, incarceration, poverty, out of wedlock births and abortion were all much higher and educational attainment and corrected salary much lower in the 18-25 demographic in 1985 compared to today. So it appears kids were much worse off doing whatever they were doing back then.

As always, the numbers show the good old days were never really that great

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If I'd asserted that we were a bunch of perfect little saints, you'd have a point.

And OF COURSE educational attainment is higher now. The government is THROWING FREE MONEY AT KIDS TO GO GET IT! I mean, that's sort of the thread!

I mean yeah. If you throw free money at people, they will likely get more educated and, very possibly, be "better off".

Good. I'm glad you point this out. Now they can all go fricking pound sand when asking for that shite to be ACTUALLY free money.

Your post literally makes my point in the thread. They can't whine "whoa is us, we have this debt" as if they didn't get anything out of it. It's not my fault that they didn't get the actual value out of it they incurred in cost.

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So it appears kids were much worse off doing whatever they were doing back then.

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In any case, I'd love to hear how awesome the kids are doing economically now that causes them to have to live with mommy while I, with no degree at the time, did NOT live with mommy. Maybe, just maybe, somebody is playing fast and loose with "better".