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re: Can someone please explain to me why the left thinks they have a right to Trump's taxes?
Posted on 10/7/19 at 10:43 am to hawkeye007
Posted on 10/7/19 at 10:43 am to hawkeye007
quote:
Bama if it was Obama you would want to see his tax returns.
Bill Clinton wouldn't release his annual health report. Didn't set a trend.
Cocaine much?
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 10:44 am to bamarep
Because it's a talking point for clicks.
It's what you get with Free Media these days
It's what you get with Free Media these days
Posted on 10/7/19 at 10:45 am to Pelican fan99
quote:They don't have a particular target. They're just digging blindly and hoping they find something small and shiny to use to justify more investigations and keep that cloud of investigations hanging over Trump's head leading into 2020 elections.
I just want to know what they expect to find in them that is so important
Posted on 10/7/19 at 10:45 am to MMauler
Trump Foundation is a shining light of the way a foundation should be run!
Posted on 10/7/19 at 10:47 am to the_watcher
quote:
This has always shocked me. It’s as if they believe when you illegally take money from a foreign source, there is a line item an a tax return where you list this out the amount and the country.
Exactly
Posted on 10/7/19 at 10:47 am to hawkeye007
Do you know anybody or heard of anybody diving into any politicians tax returns? Do people do this? Can't we just take the IRSs word for it that there isn't some heinous BS up in there that they just let slide?
Posted on 10/7/19 at 10:50 am to Sprung
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Sprung
Posted on 10/7/19 at 10:51 am to Pelican fan99
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I just want to know what they expect to find in them that is so important
It used to be a 1099 from Vladamir Putin
Now they think they are going to find a 1099 issued to the Ukraine by Donald Trump for Muh Biden Dirt
Posted on 10/7/19 at 10:55 am to Enadious
quote:
Bill Clinton wouldn't release his annual health report. Didn't set a trend.
Cocaine much?
There were whispers of syphilis going all the way back to Like Rock.
There were a lot of people in AR who hated Bill well beyond the simple political divide, although that certainly ramped it up once he hit the national stage. So take those whispers with several grains of salt.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 10:56 am to wutangfinancial
quote:That is true-ish. Trump had plenty of gubment help along the way.
One made his money in the PRIVATE sector
Posted on 10/7/19 at 10:57 am to bamarep
There are several questions buried in the OP.
1. Should every presidential candidate be compelled to publish his tax returns?
No. There is no constitutional or statutory requirement that a candidate do so, and I think that the tradition is silly.
2. Should Donald Trump (in his capacity as POTUS) be required to produce his tax returns?
No. But he did promise to do so, and it is not unreasonable for people to expect him to keep that promise.
3. Should Trump (in his capacity as a private party in multiple civil lawsuits) be required to produce his tax returns?
That very much depends. His taxes are clearly irrelevant in some of the litigation, and should not be subject to discovery in those cases. There are also cases in which tax returns clearly DO contain information reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible information,” and they should be subject to discovery there.
4. If subject to discovery, should the tax returns be made available to the public?
In most civil litigation, in which the discovery of tax returns is allowable, the courts are amenable to issuing a confidentiality order which precludes dissemination of the information without specific court approval. I see no reason that President Trump should not be entitled to such a protective order.
5. Should trump even be subject to such civil litigation?
Jones v. Clinton resolved this issue for federal,courts, and the answer is that a sitting president is indeed subject to civil litigation for private actions… both those taken before and during his presidency.
Zervos v.Trump Was addressing that issue with regard to state court litigation. I have not been able to determine the status of the case, but I have not expanded a great deal of effort on that search. The last thing I have seen was an intermediate appellate court decision from a New York state court, ruling that the litigation could indeed proceed.
1. Should every presidential candidate be compelled to publish his tax returns?
No. There is no constitutional or statutory requirement that a candidate do so, and I think that the tradition is silly.
2. Should Donald Trump (in his capacity as POTUS) be required to produce his tax returns?
No. But he did promise to do so, and it is not unreasonable for people to expect him to keep that promise.
3. Should Trump (in his capacity as a private party in multiple civil lawsuits) be required to produce his tax returns?
That very much depends. His taxes are clearly irrelevant in some of the litigation, and should not be subject to discovery in those cases. There are also cases in which tax returns clearly DO contain information reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible information,” and they should be subject to discovery there.
4. If subject to discovery, should the tax returns be made available to the public?
In most civil litigation, in which the discovery of tax returns is allowable, the courts are amenable to issuing a confidentiality order which precludes dissemination of the information without specific court approval. I see no reason that President Trump should not be entitled to such a protective order.
5. Should trump even be subject to such civil litigation?
Jones v. Clinton resolved this issue for federal,courts, and the answer is that a sitting president is indeed subject to civil litigation for private actions… both those taken before and during his presidency.
Zervos v.Trump Was addressing that issue with regard to state court litigation. I have not been able to determine the status of the case, but I have not expanded a great deal of effort on that search. The last thing I have seen was an intermediate appellate court decision from a New York state court, ruling that the litigation could indeed proceed.
This post was edited on 10/7/19 at 11:28 am
Posted on 10/7/19 at 10:58 am to bamarep
quote:All this from the same low-information crowd on here who continually falsely claim that Obama somehow did something legal to prevent his college transcripts from becoming public.
Can someone please explain to me why the left thinks they have a right to Trump's taxes?
What is your objection to a NY court conducting an investigation and issuing a subpoena?
What is TRUMP so afraid of?
Posted on 10/7/19 at 10:58 am to hawkeye007
quote:Outside the context of litigation? Absolutely.
If Trumps starts the trend where no President or Person running for president doesn't releases there tax returns are you okay with that?
Posted on 10/7/19 at 10:58 am to Sprung
quote:
Trump Foundation is a shining light of the way a foundation should be run!
Don't make yourself look like a complete f*cking idiot by citing the opinion of Clinton-sycophant Barbara Underwood.
The amount of money the Trump Foundation collected wasn't even close to the BRIBES the Clinton Foundation took in over the last 10-15 years.
Why didn't Underwood look into the Clinton Foundation? They've had to "refile" their tax returns at least 3 times because of "discrepancies" found in the part of the returns that they were required to make public. They have collected hundreds of millions of dollars that the Clintons used as their own slush fund. Yet, Underwood did not even look at the Clintons.
THIS is the woman whose opinion you think we should believe?
Posted on 10/7/19 at 10:59 am to Wednesday
Another important aspect of this too:
The vast majority of the Left's base doesn't pay taxes as well. They have no clue what these forms look like, nor what they mean.
With that, the MSM and their ilk can take ANYTHING on a form and tell the idiots that ABC actually means XYZ, and they would believe it.
The vast majority of the Left's base doesn't pay taxes as well. They have no clue what these forms look like, nor what they mean.
With that, the MSM and their ilk can take ANYTHING on a form and tell the idiots that ABC actually means XYZ, and they would believe it.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 11:01 am to wutangfinancial
quote:to the extent that tax returns are made available to the public, I do not believe that most thoughtful people consider the bottom line figure to be the most important issue.
I don't really think Republican voters GAF about what somebody makes.
More important is the ability to examine schedules, deductions, etc.… Which identify areas in which a candidate might have a conflict of interest.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 11:01 am to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:This is simply false.
The vast majority of the Left's base doesn't pay taxes as well.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 11:03 am to AggieHank86
quote:
But he did promise to do so
He said when his audit was complete. It's not complete.
Posted on 10/7/19 at 11:04 am to bamarep
So, two pages in the best you demented clowns can come up with is "just because I want to see them."
Absolutely fricking pathetic.
WITCH HUNT!
Absolutely fricking pathetic.
WITCH HUNT!
Posted on 10/7/19 at 11:05 am to hawkeye007
quote:
Bama if it was Obama you would want to see his tax returns. If Trumps starts the trend where no President or Person running for president doesn't releases there tax returns are you okay with that?
I'm always ok with something like that. The will of the people can control how important that is.
I certainly don't want you to have the power to control that.
The only exception is documentation on things that are a requirement to hold the office (age, citizenship, etc.)
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