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re: Can someone explain in detail what is “Climate Change” and what is the proper climate?
Posted on 4/25/22 at 9:56 pm to Bass Tiger
Posted on 4/25/22 at 9:56 pm to Bass Tiger
quote:I think of it as the introduction of more volatility into a system that has us in a pretty good place right now. On balance, we'd rather it be less volatile - of course, noting that volatility implies a greater probability of both UPside and downside scenarios.
Can someone explain in detail what is “Climate Change” and what is the proper climate?
In general, I think even the alarmist data show climate change should be a net positive until like 2075 (when have you ever seen that in the MSM?).
I'm not down to spend 500 trillion or whatever to affect it by .5 degree.
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Posted on 4/25/22 at 10:32 pm to Bass Tiger
I would like to know - What kind of ego must one possess to think that not only can they determine the correct temperature and climate but also think that they can alter the climate of a planetary macrosystem
REGRESSIVES are morons
REGRESSIVES are morons
Posted on 4/26/22 at 12:00 am to Bass Tiger
72 degrees everywhere year around. And no hurricanes, tornadoes or snow storms.
That’s what libs believe the world was like prior to the Industrial Age.
That’s what libs believe the world was like prior to the Industrial Age.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 1:32 am to Bass Tiger
CO2 is a greenhouse gas (so is methane). The release of these gases into the atmosphere affects the way to sun's rays heat and cool the earth and, therefore, can cause climate change. This is well proven and was talked about as far back as the mid 1800's.
And don't hand me "muh ice ages." Ice ages take many thousands of years to form and then many thousands of years for the ice to recede. NASA talks about this fallacy.
From NASA:
Sounds like they are denying climate change, right? Ice ages have always happened, so what's new. It's not that simple. They continue:
Yes, CO2 levels have always varied throughout history as ice samples prove. But today warming is happening 10 times faster than it did during ice-age recovery periods. And we're not even in an ice age to begin with, so that argument doesn't work from the jump.
I just have one thing to say to you climate deniers:
And don't hand me "muh ice ages." Ice ages take many thousands of years to form and then many thousands of years for the ice to recede. NASA talks about this fallacy.
From NASA:
quote:
Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat, with the abrupt end of the last ice age about 11,700 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives.
Sounds like they are denying climate change, right? Ice ages have always happened, so what's new. It's not that simple. They continue:
quote:
Ice cores drawn from Greenland, Antarctica, and tropical mountain glaciers show that Earth’s climate responds to changes in greenhouse gas levels. Ancient evidence can also be found in tree rings, ocean sediments, coral reefs, and layers of sedimentary rocks. This ancient, or paleoclimate, evidence reveals that current warming is occurring roughly ten times faster than the average rate of ice-age-recovery warming. Carbon dioxide from human activity is increasing more than 250 times faster than it did from natural sources after the last Ice Age.
Yes, CO2 levels have always varied throughout history as ice samples prove. But today warming is happening 10 times faster than it did during ice-age recovery periods. And we're not even in an ice age to begin with, so that argument doesn't work from the jump.
I just have one thing to say to you climate deniers:
Posted on 4/26/22 at 4:53 am to j1897
quote:
Glad i don't have kids.
We are glad you don't have kids as well. I promise!!
Posted on 4/26/22 at 5:38 am to jb21lsu
Earth is approximately 4,500,000,000 years old!!
Earth's climate has been "changing" since is was a piece of cosmic space dust way back when!
The Sahara, for example, was not always a desert and regardless what tree-huggers allege, DT did not cause the change.
The Artic was a lush subtropical area and also "changed."
Tree-huggers want to control all phases of our life and use phony excuses to take control.
:violin: :violin:
Earth's climate has been "changing" since is was a piece of cosmic space dust way back when!
The Sahara, for example, was not always a desert and regardless what tree-huggers allege, DT did not cause the change.
The Artic was a lush subtropical area and also "changed."
Tree-huggers want to control all phases of our life and use phony excuses to take control.
:violin: :violin:
Posted on 4/26/22 at 6:39 am to Bass Tiger
I’m not gonna stop focusing on Climate Change until the entire Earth is bathed in one unifying, comfortable temperature and humidity. This constant up and down stuff is not equitable, and certainly not comfortable.
It didn’t used to be this way.
It didn’t used to be this way.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 6:41 am to Bass Tiger
quote:
what is the proper climate?
Whatever narcissistic leftists think it should be.
Nature be damned.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 6:51 am to AUstar
quote:Ah, so it is the RATE of change now?
CO2 is a greenhouse gas (so is methane). The release of these gases into the atmosphere affects the way to sun's rays heat and cool the earth and, therefore, can cause climate change. This is well proven and was talked about as far back as the mid 1800's.
"talking about it since the mid 1800's" does not give credence to a US Government agency that, last I heard, does not study ice ages.
NASA, once the apex of scientific honesty has been adorned with filthy cloak of acquired propaganda and fondness for cozying up with globalist weirdasses like Klaus "genetically deficient self-assigned leader of the world" Schwab to install one world totalitarian communism.
NASA is now at the apex of state of the art US Government PROPAGANDA and should never be considered anything else. Has Lois Lerner been appointed chief wonky wonk FREEDOM ATTACKER YET? At least they are getting the word out that Muslim influence is all that matters in space exploration.
Thanks for weaponization of government against its own taxpaying citizens, Baraq!
Climate change is no more or less than what it has ever been. ZERO! Changing as it always has by the inputs from earth's existence 93,000,000 miles from that little star at the center of our solar system as it chugs and puffs and heats and heats less or more...
Not a GODDAMNED way that people have any control over that star and its effects on earth, Sparky. STOP IT!
The greenhouse gases bullshite is nothing but a tool of the arrogant know-nothings who would tell you THEY have the answers to an impossible HOAX; that THEIR actions are so superior that it is all that can save the planet...
BWAAAA HAAA HA HAA HA HAA
morons. propagandists
LOIS? BARAQ? ALGORE, "10 years!!!!!", Democrats, "end of earth by climate catstrophe by 2030!", AUstar "rate is 10 times faster"... idiot
Posted on 4/26/22 at 6:52 am to Bass Tiger
It’s the biggest hoax perpetrated on the American public since squeezing corn into gas tanks.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 6:52 am to JJJimmyJimJames
slick NASA website, BARAQ!
seems carefully aligned with ELECTION THIEVING Democrat/DNC policy
State of Goebbels art
seems carefully aligned with ELECTION THIEVING Democrat/DNC policy
State of Goebbels art
This post was edited on 4/26/22 at 7:20 am
Posted on 4/26/22 at 6:54 am to Bass Tiger
quote:
and what is the proper climate?
Sunny, 85 degrees, blue skies, puffy white clouds, and a cool ocean breeze.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 7:24 am to AUstar
quote:
CO2 is a greenhouse gas (so is methane). The release of these gases into the atmosphere affects the way to sun's rays heat and cool the earth and, therefore, can cause climate change. This is well proven and was talked about as far back as the mid 1800's.
And don't hand me "muh ice ages." Ice ages take many thousands of years to form and then many thousands of years for the ice to recede. NASA talks about this fallacy.
From NASA:
quote:
Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat, with the abrupt end of the last ice age about 11,700 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives.
Sounds like they are denying climate change, right? Ice ages have always happened, so what's new. It's not that simple. They continue:
quote:
Ice cores drawn from Greenland, Antarctica, and tropical mountain glaciers show that Earth’s climate responds to changes in greenhouse gas levels. Ancient evidence can also be found in tree rings, ocean sediments, coral reefs, and layers of sedimentary rocks. This ancient, or paleoclimate, evidence reveals that current warming is occurring roughly ten times faster than the average rate of ice-age-recovery warming. Carbon dioxide from human activity is increasing more than 250 times faster than it did from natural sources after the last Ice Age.
Yes, CO2 levels have always varied throughout history as ice samples prove. But today warming is happening 10 times faster than it did during ice-age recovery periods. And we're not even in an ice age to begin with, so that argument doesn't work from the jump.
I just have one thing to say to you climate deniers:
You didn’t really answer the two questions posited in the OP. Your attempt to explain climate change is simply citing variances in “greenhouse” gases that varied significantly throughout history long before anthropogenic factors were even possible. The origins of historic fluctuations in greenhouse gases prior to the Industrial age are not fully understood but we know mankind was not a factor….yet the earth’s climate varied greatly.
Question two was, what climate can we expect to experience if we somehow achieve this arbitrary level of greenhouse gas that is going to save mankind? This
Posted on 4/26/22 at 7:29 am to Bass Tiger
Carbon dioxide is NOT a pollutant. It is a trace atmospheric gas REQUIRED for life as we know it to exist on this planet. If anything, a little too little CO2 would be a much bigger problem than a little too much.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 8:12 am to Bass Tiger
The inability to answer OP’s question is what makes “climate change” the perfect boogy man for leftists.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 8:28 am to Bass Tiger
20 or 30 years ago people would talk about "balance of Nature" as if it were something that we had to try to reach.
Nature is never in balance.
That is the natural nature of Nature.
Too little CO2 in our atmosphere and plants will begin dying.
Before 1820 there were vast herds of Buffalo that roamed the Great Plains of North America freely farting vast amounts of unchecked methane. How did that affect the Balance of Nature ?
Please read this book, I highly recommend it:
Nature is never in balance.
That is the natural nature of Nature.
Too little CO2 in our atmosphere and plants will begin dying.
Before 1820 there were vast herds of Buffalo that roamed the Great Plains of North America freely farting vast amounts of unchecked methane. How did that affect the Balance of Nature ?
Please read this book, I highly recommend it:
Posted on 4/26/22 at 5:22 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
quote:
so did algore say 10 years about 20 years ago?
Posted on 4/26/22 at 6:05 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
I consulted with the snakes, lizards, frogs, and turtles around my property. They said proper climate change would be about 10 degrees warmer year round. So I guess it depends on who you ask. The reptile and amphibian caucus is hard on the not enough climate change line, borderline pro global warming.
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