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re: California teachers union kills bipartisan bill establishing phonic-based reforms
Posted on 4/28/25 at 2:03 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 4/28/25 at 2:03 pm to 4cubbies
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You're equating mandating "cursive must be taught to third graders" with "third graders must be taught ELA using CKLA curriculum only." Those things are not even close to the same thing. You are here arguing that they are the same, or very similar, but they are not.
I am not. You’re pretending that the state mandates have no effect on curriculum choice. Again - hilariously stupid.
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Posted on 4/28/25 at 2:04 pm to Zach
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And you don't need to train teachers how to teach phonics. They just need to know the alphabet and the sounds each letter makes.
You do now. They’ve had their heads filled with garbage in their education colleges.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 2:05 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Dont care.
Hope California kids get dumber and Southern Kids get smarter
Hope California kids get dumber and Southern Kids get smarter
Posted on 4/28/25 at 2:07 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Most of the opposition is from districts that do not want to be forced into a one-size-fits-all program.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 2:09 pm to 4cubbies
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I said there are many, many studies across multiple states that demonstrate vouchers only cost more money and do not improve education. I stand by that statement.
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I already know school vouchers don’t improve education from the many, many, many studies across many states that have been done since the advent of school vouchers.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 2:46 pm to Locoguan0
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Most of the opposition is from districts that do not want to be forced into a one-size-fits-all program.
No, it’s not. It’s from teacher’s unions who still don’t believe kids read by learning phonics.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 3:08 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Lot's of qualifiers and fudge words sausaged into that statement.
I said that state legislatures don't mandate the specific curriculum that must be taught in each school. School districts in California aren't all using the exact same curriculum.
I know you know this, but for the benefit of others who might not, the California State Board of Education is responsible for statewide curriculum. The SBE framework sets local school district guidelines. Districts are required to align their local curriculum with state SBE standards. They have some flexibility re: implementation, but it's limited.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 3:59 pm to 4cubbies
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What are your grievances with the curriculum that's currently being used?
In California?
Perhaps it being tied to social justice causes rather than actual academics is the issue.
When Mississippi is setting the curve, and California is still failing spectacularly, and you still support California’s stupidity, that clue you in on the fact that you should revisit what it mean to be an educator.
This post was edited on 4/28/25 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 4/28/25 at 4:06 pm to Zach
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And you don't need to train teachers how to teach phonics. They just need to know the alphabet and the sounds each letter makes.
There are rules, though, that make decoding words easier.
Did you ever stop to think what the indicator is for when a G will make the /j/ sound or when the c will make the /s/ sound? There's a rule for that. If a G or C is followed by an e, i, or y - it makes the "soft" sound.
Then there's the whole silent E thing, and how to know when a vowel will make the long or short sound.
I was trained in the science of reading and I really love teaching people how to read.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 4:07 pm to jimmy the leg
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Perhaps it being tied to social justice causes rather than actual academics is the issue.
Which curriculum does this and which districts are using it?
It appears that you are making assumptions.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 4:09 pm to NC_Tigah
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I know you know this, but for the benefit of others who might not, the California State Board of Education is responsible for statewide curriculum. The SBE framework sets local school district guidelines. Districts are required to align their local curriculum with state SBE standards. They have some flexibility re: implementation, but it's limited.
Right, and just in case there's any question from someone else, the state legislature does not legislate the curriculum that the state dept of education has to use or recommend using.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 4:10 pm to the808bass
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You’re pretending that the state mandates have no effect on curriculum choice.
Once again, nope. You either struggle with reading comprehension or being honest.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 4:17 pm to 4cubbies
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I was trained in the science of reading and I really love teaching people how to read.
I was trained in the science of reading in 1st grade (Kindergarten did not exist in New Iberia back then). It took 2 days and I went from there on my own.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 4:17 pm to 4cubbies
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4cubbies
Are you ready to admit that you lied about Trayvon martin being killed by police?
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You either struggle with reading comprehension or being honest.
This post was edited on 4/28/25 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 4/28/25 at 4:17 pm to 4cubbies
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The state legislators tell teachers what books and lessons to teach in your state? And you’re calling me a a liar…
You are posting this in a thread where the California state legislature did exactly that.
Here is another example where they forced schools by law to keep trans books in their libraries.
LINK
So yes. We’re calling you a liar.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 4:21 pm to 4cubbies
They literally are blocking certain types of curricula and forcing certain books.
You are playing stupid little semantics games.
You are playing stupid little semantics games.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 4:21 pm to 4cubbies
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But go off.
Did a different homeless guy teach you to start talking ghetto?
Posted on 4/28/25 at 4:24 pm to 4cubbies
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Right, and just in case there's any question from someone else, the state legislature does not legislate the curriculum that the state dept of education has to use or recommend using.
In California (and most, if not all, states), the legislature absolutely can pass legislation requiring the SBE implement specific curriculum frameworks or standards, and then it can oversee the SBE and its follow through.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 4:28 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 4/28/25 at 4:39 pm to 4cubbies
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said that state legislatures don't mandate the specific curriculum that must be taught in each school
The article is about the failure of CA to pass science of reading laws. Are you saying that no states have such laws?
If so, then
quote:education Week
[MA, IL and IA] actions join a mounting tide of reading legislation across the country. Over the past decade, 37 states and the District of Columbia have passed laws or other policies related to evidence-based reading instruction
If not, what narrow point are you making? There are 40 states that have laws on this, and its likely at least one does what you aver that states do not do, or its something that CA did not propose. See, e.g. Components of state laws from Edweek
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