re: California is set to hit its green-energy goals a decade early

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it’s just odd that there’s a portion of the right leaning guys on here that understand it’s a hybrid of human and natural causes, and there’s another portion who think Jesus is coming back anyday and there’s no way we could affect the earth.

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There are idiots on both sides. Right and left.

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Most of them have all their ‘gotcha’ questions ready to go that they learned from somewhere.

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Both sides do this. Especially on this topic as neither side can be proven right or wrong.

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The problem I see is that neither of these groups on the board ever are in the same thread. I see them separately always.

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That's because climate change threads, like religious threads, are always shite shows. So more level headed people try to stay away. It's pointless arguing over something no one can prove either way.

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So you are saying the Oil and Gas industry never benefitted from any government subsidies or perks?

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Are you saying that the current market position of Oil and Gas are primarily related to government subsidies or perks?

Accounting slight of hand. Just like Georgetown "100% renewable" Texas

Well there’s one of them

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Do you care about heavy metal pollution from processing and strip mining of the metals required to make the solar panels?

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Metal will always be required by humans which is why it important to recycle metal and which it what frequently happens

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Do you care about the 1,000’s of hawks and eagles killed every year due to wind mills?

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This always makes me laugh

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Wind turbines kill between 214,000 and 368,000 birds annually — a small fraction compared with the estimated 6.8 million fatalities from collisions with cell and radio towers and the 1.4 billion to 3.7 billion deaths from cats, according to the peer-reviewed study by two federal scientists and the environmental consulting firm West Inc.

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So I am assuming you are against mortgage interest deductions and long-term capital gains tax too? Because that is essentially the government choosing winners and trying to spur economic growth artificially?

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No, this is government choosing survivors from the public that it is killing with its hugeness. Reduce government = reduced taxes = reduced deductions.

Talk about the kill-you-dead pollution created in the cheap production of Chinese solar panels that are actually reducing costs of not-so-green energy

Also, if we capture solar energy instead of letting it reflect back into space, are we not warming the globe?

Finally, the narrative that government subsidized the oil, coal, and natural gas industry is complete bull-shite. They were created and expanded without government influence. Sometimes to strategically stimulate them, their taxes were lowered. But they were NEVER subsidize like the kabillion dollar boondoggle of California’s Solyndra . Solyndra, another “green” success story where government picked winners (green investors and DNC donors) over losers (American tax payers).

Edit: Often downvoted seldom refuted.

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This board gets upset when something is good in clean energy and cheers when Tesla doesn’t make money. Can anyone explain that?

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I just find it a little ironic how the left doesn't want drilling because it threatens the environment around it. They say drilling sights are an eyesore of our natural landscape and those landscape should remain pristine in nature and should be protected at all costs.

But lo and behold, let's remove the eyesore and threat of polluting the land by erecting thousands of windmills to coordinate with our pastoral scenes of natural American beauty.

There's more ways to pollute the scenic beauty of this country than by spilling some oil on it.

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Let green energy come naturally through the market.

Let consumers decide when they want to switch to green energy.

It isn't right to prop up ANY industry that consumers do not vote for with their wallets.

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This...all of it......

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Can anyone explain that?

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You're not from an O&G state.

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This board gets upset when something is good in clean energy and cheers when Tesla doesn’t make money.

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The O&G and auto-industry stooges and stupid baws who want dem overpaid jobs irrationally lose their shite, but the rest of us realize that while there is a promising future for renewables, they are simply not cost effective for the average consumer at this time.

What should happen is that alternative energy companies should compete and innovate to become more appealing to mainstream consumers. If the energy prices were merely competitive, it would be hugely popular. The only real motivation is financial, and when the government floats companies like it has been doing, they don't have the pressure of failure to motivate them.