re: By the HAND OF GOD Watch this- goose bumps just watching

I co-sign this.

And by way you’re taking, you have had a lot of dealings with Mr squirrel.

Give each spirit a chance.

He’s already said being a follower of Christ isn’t out of the question for him. So I’m going to try to nurture that statement. It’s a clear path in. Just continue patience. THOMAS had to put his hand in Jesus’s side to believe. And he saw with his eyes the miracles of Jesus.

Love you brother

YBIC

Yessir. I think you’re tracking the same way I am.

The Antichrist would fool the elect IF that were possible. Keep your eyes up. Your redemption draws near.

Love you brother

YBIC

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Numerology is a big part of Biblical Prophecy, especially in end time prophecy. In the book of Daniel Chapter 12 Verse 4 God said to Daniel:

“ But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”

Trump was shot in the ear at exactly 6:11 PM EST. Ephesians 6:11 says, "Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil".

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As a preacher of 40 years, called unto Prophecy, it always excites me when someone cites Daniel 12 (I know what the 1290 and 1335 means). But as per the Ephesians 6:11 point, we must remember, there were no chapters, nor verses until the English inserted them, so thats probably a stretch, because it was not put in there by God, but by men later on. Also, seeing someone that understands God uses numbers is cool.

Most people have absolutely no clue why its 7 Heads (Divine Completion) and 10 Horns (Completion) they are still waiting on the 10 to come together, as in 10 Worldwide areas in some cases, however, the 10 must come out of the Fourth Beast (Rome/Europe) and the number maters not, 10 = completion, so at any point in time God was correct, when it was 8, 13, 21 or 27, matters not. The Anti-Christ (Little Horn) had to arise amongst the 10 or be born in Europe Reunited. So, if he is alive (he is) then the 10 have to have been together when he was born. Also, Dan. 8:9 MANDATES that this man has to be born in Greece, as well as in a Revived Rome (E.U.) and Greece is in the E.U. Look at the DIRECTIONS he conquers in according to that scripture. Now we know why we get every Greek King in Dan. 11 as foretold by Gabriel informing Daniel.

The 1260, 1290 and 1335 are THAT SPECIFIC NUMBER OF DAYS, until all these wonders/things end (2nd Coming) and of course Daniel had no clue what that meant at the time. All three are EVENTS we have to figure out, I have doe that via prayer and study, and the holy spirits guidance. The 1335 comes first (Two-witnesses who get 1/3 of Israel to repent see Zech. 13:8-9, then one verse later the DOTL or 1260 happens). The 1290 is the False Prophet, not the A.C, who only conquers 30 days later. We only understand the Little Horn/A.C. verses, generally, mostly no one understands the other two are events also. Daniel 11 & 12are two of my fav. chapters, I did an Exegesis on those two chapters, they are up on my blog as well as me explaining every chapter in the book of Revelation.

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We don't have proof of a resurrection. Even if an historical Jesus existed as a messiah figure in ways generally consistent with the Gospel, is it not out of the question that His body was eventually buried in an unknown location? Even in modern times, how many people disappear without a trace? It is has been almost 50 years and no one has found Jimmy Hoffa. No one has found Frank Morris and the Anglin bros. No one has found D.B. Cooper. No one knows what became of the Zodiac or Jack the Ripper. Is it not possible that 2,000 years ago maybe the body of Christ (if indeed one historical figure) was simply disposed of in some way that remains a mystery? Is Jesus genuinely rising from the dead and ascending into a different plane of existence really the most logical possibility here given the zealotry and ignorance of the time?

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I do think you have great points. I’m not going to belittle your thought process, because you have done your research. You have walked the literal walk. I think that’s commendable.

What would you like as proof of resurrection of Christ? Especially from almost 2000 years ago. It’s a genuine question that I hope you’ll answer with genuine sincerity.

I don’t know what else you could expect other than over 500 eye witness to seeing Jesus after his death and burial. And then the disciple witnesses declaring it and recording it.

How do we know anything from that time period. And before? I’m not talking about being able to dig up artifacts. I’m talking about verifying speeches. Verifying a life and death account.

Just because the people were ignorant of other world views and happenings doesn’t diminish the claim of the Messiah coming, witnessing, having a ministry, performing miracles, being crucified, dying, resurrection, and ascension to Heaven.

When Christ returns for his second coming, He’s returning there. Those are God’s chosen people. Christ isn’t coming to America in Glory. He’s returning to where he was executed.

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Contrast that with something like the Kennedy assassination.. JFK was an indisputable historical figure. There are plenty of people alive today who knew him. There are lots of pictures and videos of him. I can go to Dealey Plaza and see an X marking the location (for sure) of the fatal head shot.We know exactly where it happened. We can even see footage of it. Oswald's location during the assassination has been preserved and physical evidence such as his rifle have been thoroughly examined. Countless forensics tests have been performed. And yet plenty of people will tell you there was a second gunman on the grassy knoll - or wherever. You still have conspiracy theories even with all the available evidence. People are so eager to believe fanciful things over the mundane. It was that way thousands of years ago - likely even more so due to less knowledge about the world - and it is still that way today.

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This example, while you have thoroughly explained and shown your work. Pictures. The gun. Zupruter (sp) film everything you described. This is a modern event. People had access to that technology in 1963. And the evidence is probably still kept (don’t know) in the most secure of secure places.

I can’t get on board with this example. It’s like not believing Caesar was killed because there weren’t pictures snapped. Video taken, and the knives and clothes preserved since 44 bc. You have no weapon(s). No clothes. No pictures. No video. Just accounts.

I’d like to say, I’m so impressed with your travels there. If you ever have time to kill, can you upload some of the pictures?

I can’t refute your claims about where specific events happened. I have not gone into that kind of research to try and prove wrong points and places in Israel. I’m sorry.

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It is wise to be a skeptic in this world.

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And finally. lol.

The Bible says, test every spirit. Be a skeptic. Check everyone’s word against God’s word.

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What would you like as proof of resurrection of Christ? Especially from almost 2000 years ago. It’s a genuine question that I hope you’ll answer with genuine sincerity.

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I think the limitations of the time prevent that from being a possibility.

Even in modern times, it would take a lot for me to get on board with any of the common supernatural entities or cryptids. A lot of people claim to have seen Bigfoot, ghosts, been abducted by aliens, etc.

I will never believe any of these claims unless substantial evidence is presented.

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I don’t know what else you could expect other than over 500 eye witness to seeing Jesus after his death and burial. And then the disciple witnesses declaring it and recording it.

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Who are these 500 people? Have they been thoroughly interviewed by investigators? Did they record numerous specifics that can be verified independently? How come some people say Jesus was entombed at the adecule at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and others say the Garden Tomb? We supposedly have all these witnesses but can't even figure out exactly where these things happened?

And let me ask you this: If "500 people" in India today claimed to have witnessed a miracle associated with Hinduism, would you believe it? If not, why not?

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How do we know anything from that time period. And before? I’m not talking about being able to dig up artifacts. I’m talking about verifying speeches. Verifying a life and death account.

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A lot of it has to do with the scope of evidence - but part of it boils down to believability.

Let me give you an analogy.

Let's say you're sitting in a body shop in rural Alabama getting your car repaired. You strike up a conversation with the man next to you. You ask him what work is being done on his car. He tells you that he hit a deer and caused some damage to the front end.

You don't think much else beyond that. Deer are all over Alabama and it's not uncommon for people to hit one while driving.

But what if the man had told you he hit a tiger? That changes everything. Tigers are not even native to North America, much less Alabama. The only tigers you will find around here are in zoos, and it would be big news if one had escaped. But this guy swears he hit a tiger. Would you believe him? What if we took the analogy a step further and he said he hit a Bigfoot, an animal that has never been verified?

What's the difference between the deer, the tiger, and Bigfoot? Why might we accept the deer at face value but show skepticism toward the tiger or Bigfoot? That's because car accidents involving deer happen all the time, while the accidents involving tigers or Bigfoot have never happened.

Even in the deer example, the guy might have been lying. Maybe he was driving while intoxicated and had an accident and didn't want to tell you that, so he made up the deer story. That is very possible too. But there's nothing to his story that invites skepticism and further inquiry like it does the tiger and Bigfoot.

Getting back to history... if I hear that General A conquered Nation B on Continent C 2,000 years ago, okay, fine. Wars have been going on forever. There's no obvious reason to be skeptical. But if you tell me that something that has never been verified in the history of the world happens, then that's going to make me more skeptical. That doesn't necessarily mean the claim didn't happen. Maybe someone has been abducted by aliens. Maybe someone has legitimately seen a ghost. Maybe there's some truth to aspects of the Bible or the Quran. Although doubtful, I can't say otherwise.

But what I can say is I don't treat claims associated with Christianity any differently than I do other claims of a comparable nature. I don't show favoritism. I don't think that's true of the vast majority of theists.

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Just because the people were ignorant of other world views and happenings doesn’t diminish the claim of the Messiah coming, witnessing, having a ministry, performing miracles, being crucified, dying, resurrection, and ascension to Heaven.

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Yes, it does.

We're talking about a time period in which people believed demons caused diseases. They were far more inclined to believe in such things as a messiah than a modern thinker.

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I can’t get on board with this example.

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The fact that all of the epic miracles of God/Jesus happened thousands of years ago when there was a lot of less organized skepticism and investigation gives these claims less validity.

Take the famous Bo Jackson 4.12 40 yard dash that supposedly happened at Auburn University in 1986 with a handful of people around. I don't believe Jackson ran a legitimate 4.12 40, but hey, maybe he did. But if Bo Jackson were a young prospect today and had run an electrically timed 4.12 at the Combine in front of hundreds of scouts and other NFL personnel and filmed for the world to see, then I would believe it.

My point with the Bo example isn't to say that he didn't run a 4.12. It's that there's not enough evidence to consider a time that fast to be valid. Similarly, the fact that evidence wasn't recorded nearly as well 2,000 years ago doesn't necessarily mean that a messiah figure didn't do something miraculous - but it does mean the claim is less reliable.

And as I also said in the JFK example, people (even today) have a tendency to believe conspiracy theories and other wild claims. The evidence that Oswald was the only gunman is solid, but people still want to say someone else was firing rounds too. People can get carried away in fanciful ideas - which is why we have had countless religions and plenty of cult figures - and that was definitely a possibility in Gospel times.

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I’d like to say, I’m so impressed with your travels there. If you ever have time to kill, can you upload some of the pictures?

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I will if this thread continues and you remind me later. I am about to head out the door.

So many words to prove you don’t believe. Weird.

ETA: Finally made it to where I was going and had the chance to read every word of your post. I made some assumptions that were wrong. I apologize sincerely.

Faith is a son of fun for believers at times. I can see why you choose to leave faith by the wayside. I hope that isn’t permanent. I mean that in the best possible way.

That’s not accurate. Maybe for the first bullet, but there is no way in the world two bullets took the exact same path, much less three.

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The Lazarus in Luke is not the same Lazarus in John 11

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And there were two guys named Jairus - one had a daughter who was still alive when he went to Jesus for help, and the other’s daughter had already died when he went find Jesus for help. And Jesus send his disciples on great commissions twice - in one they could take a staff, and the other they couldn’t take a staff.

And there were four Jesuses of Nazareth! One became the son of God at his baptism by John the dipper. The other was born of a virgin named Mary who took her Jesus and fled to Egypt during the reign of Herod. Another Virgin Mary had a son named Jesus born during the administration of Quirinius and never went to Egypt but straight to Nazareth from Bethlehem. And then there’s the fourth Jesus who was a pre-existing miracle-working badass who came down from heaven as an adult and was already the son of gods and lamb of god who takes away the sins of the world before his baptism.

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If I didn’t believe in something or someone, I would care less about what others believe and wouldn’t waste a single moment of my precious time thinking or addressing it.

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So you would be against putting the 10 commandments in the classroom, right, if you don’t care what others believe?

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Truth is, deep down you know there is a Creator, there is a sovereign Painter to this masterpiece called life yet in your blind, incompetent, stone heart, you shake your fist at your Creator in rebellion.

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Truth is, deep down you know there is a Creator, there is a sovereign Painter to this masterpiece called life yet in your blind, incompetent, stone heart, you shake your fist at your Creator in rebellion.

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He wasn’t shaking his fist. He was explaining why he doesn’t believe. There was no triumphalism in anything he said.

I’m of the same mind he is, and yes, I do believe there is a creator. It seems there has to be a god. There is something profound, that we don’t understand, that explains our genesis. I call that god.

I think the chances that any of the ritualistic beliefs, of any of our worldly religions, being true is practically zero. So I think there is a god, but I don’t know much about that god.

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I’m sure you a discriminating thinker in your smoking jacket

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In my PJs as befits my motto: 12 hours in; 12 hours out!