re: Breaking: Kari Lake loses trial to overturn Arizona Governor election - Vows to appeal

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No.
Hyperbole on my part, and apparently most offensive to you than intended. Sorry.

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No apology needed. I really don't get butthurt about a message board. That said, repeated hyperbole isn't really hyperbole anymore, particularly in the absence of an actually argument/suggestion.

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I am extremely frustrated with repeated episodes of extraordinarily odd vote results, accompanied by extraordinarily odd ED occurrences, and a complete lack of national intellectual curiosity as to cause.

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And a point I've made more than once - this is all the more reason to know wtf we're talking about, because I'm here to tell you, if all the election frickery/stop the steal shite is in any way similar to the reality of Maricopa County 2022 election, you're not the only that's been gaslighted. While I've not gotten into the weeds on 2020, I've seen enough comments and statistics posted by posters I think are credible, I've believed there was frickery in 2020, at least in key spots.

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The fact that AZ would vote for a person so incompetent she refused to debate her opponent is surprising to me.

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I was shocked. On this very board two weeks out from the election, I guaranteed there was no way KL loses.

I think we underestimate how much some pretty normal people (as in not progressive, and likely in agreement with us on 80% of policies) are f'n tired of all the drama. We on the Right like to say, "I just want to work, take care of my family, do my part for my community and nation, and then be left alone" - - - I'm not sure the people I'm referring to aren't thinking the same thing. Trump, love him or hate him, is an emotional black hole, and I'm thinking that a lot of people that support his positions (for the most part) are just tired.

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The fact AZ is willing to accept the kind of BS that seems to go down in its recent elections is surprising to me.

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After 2020, we passed laws designed to tighten things up - ballot harvesting, voter registration were the main things, but there were others. So it's not like we (as a state) have done nothing.

The Board of Supervisors is a different story. I don't know how long a term is or what the rotation is, but Bill Gates won his last election in 2020 by less than 1%. That's tight for the district he represents. He was elected Board Chairman last January. Here's his comments after claiming that title:

PHOENIX — Republican Bill Gates was elected chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors on Wednesday, promising he would have a heavy focus in 2022 on maintaining and improving the county’s election system.

Gates, who replaces Jack Sellers in the role, said that county leaders would dispel misinformation and run a clean midterm election.

Let's see how his next election goes. If he's smart, he won't run. He's an a-hole to boot.

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I am unconfident the AZ result indicates the AZ intent

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Kari Lake was more interested in flaming the media than winning an election. I think she also turned off some Republicans by the nastiness of the primary. The woman she beat, like her or not politically, is very well thought of, particulary in the east valley. FFS there's a street named after her family in Mesa.

Blake Masters was creepy AF. I've mentioned on this board about his selfies, and women being creeped out by the guy. I would bet he was upside down by 20 points with women.

I liked the AG candidate. I'm even more surprised he lost than I am KL lost.

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It just seems to me if I am the elected governor and I have the ability to absolutely squash any thought that the election was illegitimate, I would do it. If they have the chain of custody and the chain is in tact, why not absolutely trounce your opposition and end all speculation over shadiness? It makes someone like me, who hasn’t followed this, think there is something they are hiding.

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I think the problem is you have people in here who have followed the trial and just say the judge is crooked and what’s the harm in just having a do over though there is no basis in law for that given the findings.

This means that for some people it’s never enough. They do this then they will want more. Then, people like you who aren’t following it will say why not give them that. Do you see what I mean? At some point, enough is enough.

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But can’t you see how repeatedly crying the election in 2020 was rigged and Lake’s constant bullying behavior would lead people not to want to associate with that? You have to understand that while a certain hardcore part of the MAGA base like that type of politician it absolutely turns others off. If you turn people off emotionally, you won’t get a chance to sell them on policy. People can complain about “muh feelings” and the like, but MAGA will not win until they stop acting like this. That’s just a fact.

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Again, she was winning or tied in all polls. Your advice would have been to change what was working??? Maybe buy lottery tickets instead of elections because clearly you have a crystal ball.

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...by changing settings in the software that resulted in the format of the ballot being invalid. This is a ridiculous level of change.

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These systems are based on controlling the layout of the ballot. They don't work without it. You seem to think that this is just a matter of a file print dialog like you are printing a word document.

Mickey, you don't know what the frick you are talking about and aren't smart enough to realize it.

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You're trying to make it sound like it was a grander scheme than what it was. They adjusted settings and performed troubleshooting on the individual printers to get them to work.

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As relevant here, Mr. Betencourt testified that there were, in fact, multiple technical issues experienced on Election Day. He testified that these were solved by means such as: 1) taking out toner and/or ink cartridges and shaking them, 2) cleaning the corona wire, 3) letting the printers warm up, 4) cleaning the tabulators, and 5) adjusting settings on the printer.

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Again… a do over wouldn’t have hurt a damn thing.

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Also, I believe a do-over would send the message that election officials better get their stuff straight or they will be seeing a lot of do-overs.

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In reference to which candidate exactly? Did Hari Kari say that? I don’t know, that’s why I’m asking. Or is this a specific Trump thing?

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She wouldn't commit to accepting the results of the election.

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Ahead of Election Day, Lake repeatedly dodged questions about whether she would concede the governor’s race if she lost, saying, “I’m going to win the election, and I will accept that result,” and that she’d only accept a “fair, honest and transparent” result. During the primary, she said she would challenge the results if she lost because it would have indicated “there’s some cheating going on.” And before the race was called, she suggested that Arizona election officials were intentionally dragging their feet on releasing the results while still declaring, “I am 100% going to win.”

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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2022/11/30/23484972/kari-lake-election-denier-arizona-trump

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In reference to which candidate exactly? Did Hari Kari say that? I don’t know, that’s why I’m asking. Or is this a specific Trump thing?

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Lake was asked will you accept the results of the election. She said she’d accept it if she wins. She was asked what about if she loses. She just said she’s not going to lose so wouldn’t answer the question.

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Lol. Where’s the harm, right?

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For sure. If we're going to do that because we don't like the outcomes of elections, it's only right that we extend it to what really matters...college football.

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Kari Lake was more interested in flaming the media than winning an election. I think she also turned off some Republicans by the nastiness of the primary. The woman she beat, like her or not politically, is very well thought of, particulary in the east valley. FFS there's a street named after her family in Mesa.

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I believe 100% that if Robson won the primary she would be AZ Governor. She would have easily been able to win the much needed Independent vote.

And while I didn’t agree with some of her views….i will admit she also came off much more rational and experienced than Lake. She wasn’t just trying to get soundbites to go viral like Lake sounded like most of her campaign.

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I think this is really the issue you people have. You have a strange need to force people to capitulate in the face of your power.

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Not at all. Just not a fan of crying wolf over and over again or of not being an adult and accepting you lost. Hillary and Stacey are guilty of this as well.