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re: Breaking: Kari Lake loses trial to overturn Arizona Governor election - Vows to appeal
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:06 pm to LSU2ALA
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:06 pm to LSU2ALA
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Incompetence by the government. Everyone on here talks about how the government screws stuff up all the time and that they can’t be trusted to properly run anything, and yet when there is a pretty obvious example of this incompetence, the conclusion some want to jump to is conspiracies.
Then hold another election in Maricopa County.
Again...what would it hurt?
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:08 pm to NC_Tigah
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In other words, an individual or a cabal of electioneers with access to the machines, sabotage them in a way they know has (inadvertently) created confusion/delay in past elections on a sporadic basis.
But this time it's no accident. The perps recognize that by setting up >20% of machines to fail on a day when 70% of voters are Republican, they can decrease voting turnout. So they do just that.
All Lake needed to do was provide evidence that over 20% of the machines were sabotaged. Was this proven? If it was who had access to the machines after they were tested? The DA of MC needs to investigate and arrest these people.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:09 pm to NC_Tigah
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He refused to acknowledge the probability of nefarious intent behind what he found.
All the judge can do is weigh the evidence. There had to be clear and convincing evidence here of that 'nefarious intent' and that it actually changed the outcome. The evidence in this case came nowhere near close to that.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:10 pm to oklahogjr
quote:No. You want the result the 'system' rendered. Period. I want to know why a POS in charge of election processes, when testifying about a 20% machine failure, smiled and said "This stuff occurs all the time."
I want to understand what i'm missing
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:10 pm to loogaroo
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Barnes is lying?
I don’t know who Barnes is so I can’t say. I will say even his quote states that it has to throw the outcome in doubt. Where is Lake picking up the 17k votes? There was no evidence to show anything like this.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:12 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:Your callous disregard of fact, and satisfaction with it, is noted.
There had to be clear and convincing evidence here of that 'nefarious intent' and that it actually changed the outcome.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:13 pm to loogaroo
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Again...what would it hurt?
Exactly what I said before. Hobbs won. Why should she have to stand for election again? There is nothing for her to be gained from it and everything to lose as the rightful winner. She won. You don’t get do overs just because you lose and stir up a bunch of bs.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:15 pm to NC_Tigah
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No. You want the result the 'system' rendered. Period. I want to know why a POS in charge of election processes, when testifying about a 20% machine failure, smiled and said "This stuff occurs all the time."
so since all you would like to discuss is printers. lets talk about your personal experience with printers.
do you find that the printer always work? have you ever had a printer work and then not work later? In this case who was sabotaging the printer? How were you able to complete the work of whatever needed printing?
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:15 pm to NC_Tigah
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Your callous disregard of fact, and satisfaction with it, is noted.
You’re the one disregarding fact. Arizona law calls for clear and convincing evidence. That just didn’t happen here.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:15 pm to LSU2ALA
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Seriously? Hobbs won. You now want her to win twice because Lake throws bs at the wall and winds you up. The judge found there is nothing there. Lake had her chance to introduce evidence and brought nothing. The whole claim has always been let the court hear the evidence. What can it hurt? It’s now we don’t like how the judge ruled so hold a new election. What can it hurt? Lake lost. Get over it.
Every time you dimmy twats lose a potus you try and gin up support for a constitutional conversion to popular vote. Dims invented the art of sore losing…it’s due to racism and climate change. Waaaaaah!
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:18 pm to Robin Masters
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Every time you dimmy twats lose a potus you try and gin up support for a constitutional conversion to popular vote. Dims invented the art of sore losing…it’s due to racism and climate change. Waaaaaah!
I have never called for that. Trump won in 2016 under the rules that were set. It doesn’t matter he lost the popular vote. Would he have won if the popular vote was the metric? I don’t know. I think it’s quite possible though as it would have been a completely different campaign ran though.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:24 pm to LSU2ALA
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There is nothing for her to be gained from it and everything to lose as the rightful winner. She won. You don’t get do overs just because you lose and stir up a bunch of bs.
You do when the results are in doubt per AZ law.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:25 pm to doubleb
quote:I'd settle for an investigation, including why the individual in charge of processes dismisses inexcusable election failures as something that "happens all the time."
The DA of MC needs to investigate and arrest these people.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:26 pm to Wednesday
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Once comingled with those without chain of custody documents - absofrickinglutely
You’re ignoring half of what’s posted.
So let’s ignore those that are commingled. You’re still 16,500 votes from any of this mattering.
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:27 pm to LSU2ALA
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You’re the one disregarding fact. Arizona law calls for clear and convincing evidence.
No it doesn't. The judge set that bar.
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Arizona law is clear: even inadvertent errors in election require setting aside result if it casts outcome in doubt. Intentionality is NOT required when the error casts actual winner "in doubt."
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:28 pm to David_DJS
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So let’s ignore those that are commingled. You’re still 16,500 votes from any of this mattering.
The results are in doubt. Have another election and squash all doubt. Why not?
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:29 pm to LSU2ALA
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have never called for that. Trump won in 2016 under the rules that were set. It doesn’t matter he lost the popular vote. Would he have won if the popular vote was the metric? I don’t know. I think it’s quite possible though as it would have been a completely different campaign ran though.
Ahhh, a “Russian kolooshion” man are you.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:30 pm to loogaroo
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There was enough discrepancy by AZ law there to hold another election in Maricopa County.
But you can’t lay it out for some reason.
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The judge chose not to see it that way. Now you have more doubt than before. He made it worse.
The judge didn’t add 50 to 450 and get 17,000.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:30 pm to loogaroo
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The results are in doubt. Have another election and squash all doubt. Why not?
frick yeah.
Call 2019 Ohio State, Clemson, and LSU up and tell them that replay was bullshite. We have to do it all again.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:31 pm to LSU2ALA
quote:What is the effect of long lines on election day? Quantify that for Maricopa in the past election. How many people would have voted, but turned away when they saw a huge line? How was that aspect of the Maricopa failure measured, exactly?
He also found it could not have impacted the margin of victory either.
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