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Posted on 6/29/26 at 6:38 am to Onyx Aggie
or maybe he will write a letter to nola.com and say he is always right. Posted on 6/29/26 at 6:40 am to SlowFlowPro
let's see now... Do I trust news and Turley or you? Imma go post another X post...Posted on 6/29/26 at 6:41 am to Ace Midnight
Perhaps. Though the recent immigration ones gives a tad of hope…hopefully.
Also, tends to get dragged out this long when there really is a debate. Roe reversal was delayed by the lefties slow rolling their part, even when constantly asked to drop it due to the death threats. Evil people.
Also, tends to get dragged out this long when there really is a debate. Roe reversal was delayed by the lefties slow rolling their part, even when constantly asked to drop it due to the death threats. Evil people.
Posted on 6/29/26 at 6:42 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/29/26 at 6:59 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
quote:
and say Congress has to fix
Congress can amend the Constitution
Presuming amendment is the only fix (it's not), since there's never been an Article V convention of the states, essentially, the answer is yes in that every amendment of the Constitution to date has come from Congress and been ratified by the states.
Posted on 6/29/26 at 7:01 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I never read 4cubs other 90 whatever page long thread. Her latest is straightforward enough.
I have entirely too much time sensitive work for this to happen today
Why haven't you or bow chica bow bow Penrod... opined your brilliance in her thread?
This post was edited on 6/29/26 at 7:02 am
Posted on 6/29/26 at 7:12 am to HagaDaga
I don't think that the decision will be what any of us want, although I believe that a portion of the Justices will say it can be eliminated but by Congress and not EO.
My question...if it were to go in our favor, would it only be enforceable going forward? Would all of the existing anchor babies still be citizens or could some of them be stripped?
My question...if it were to go in our favor, would it only be enforceable going forward? Would all of the existing anchor babies still be citizens or could some of them be stripped?
Posted on 6/29/26 at 7:17 am to PJinAtl
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My question...if it were to go in our favor, would it only be enforceable going forward? Would all of the existing anchor babies still be citizens or could some of them be stripped?
Even if birthright citizenship is ended, everything about the request (even the EO) has been moving forward. There is no retroactive component to the EO.
I mean I want birthright citizenship to end, but even I can understand how bad a retroactive component would go. How far back do you go? Do you make everyone in the U.S. prove their citizenship again? I mean I think most of us here, who have ancestors who came from Europe, probably have at least one person who was either here illegally or didn't have any papers. It would be a nightmare as very few could prove beyond any doubt that themselves and every single ancestor before them was here legally.
So I would say change your mentality immediately. Even in the small chance they do overturn birthright citizenship, it'll be going forward only. So yes any existing anchor babies will be grandfathered in.
Posted on 6/29/26 at 7:21 am to Tarps99
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saying the president himself may not have the full authority, but congress does and would need to act with a law to clarify or a constitutional amendment.
The best outcome that we can reasonably hope for would be the Supremes suggesting that a law is needed to clarify "lawful jurisdiction" and not an amendment.
Posted on 6/29/26 at 7:21 am to udtiger
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Presuming amendment is the only fix (it's not),
How can Congress define Constitutional baselines?
Congress is given the authority to enforce the amendment in section 5, but that enforcement power is restricted to the limits and baselines created by the amendment.
You're proposing that "enforcement" also includes the ability to redefine what the amendment actually says, which would infer Congress can unilaterally re-write amendments. That's patently absurd. 80-IQ level argument.
Whatever enforcement authority Congress is granted is specifically limited by the constraints of the amendment itself. If Congress can supersede its authority and re-write those constraints then we have British Parliament with no Constitutional limitations.
Posted on 6/29/26 at 7:26 am to TheMagicMan
Yeah I doubt it's retroactive too. Im guessing it's when the EO date was.
If we can get something that helps stop the birth tourism, that would be good. Our enemies taking advantage of it is not beneficial to our future.
I'm left wondering things Trump will do in response to a reversal. Ie...I think the lastest immigration ones could give him the power to stop Chinese visas of birthing age females. Quick test given at customs, etc. If preggo they are returned. We also need to start sending agents to find people who are a day late in leaving. If that's too much work for agents then tag these immigrants for all I care or lower the amount coming in, to make easier in agents to go find and return.
If we can get something that helps stop the birth tourism, that would be good. Our enemies taking advantage of it is not beneficial to our future.
I'm left wondering things Trump will do in response to a reversal. Ie...I think the lastest immigration ones could give him the power to stop Chinese visas of birthing age females. Quick test given at customs, etc. If preggo they are returned. We also need to start sending agents to find people who are a day late in leaving. If that's too much work for agents then tag these immigrants for all I care or lower the amount coming in, to make easier in agents to go find and return.
Posted on 6/29/26 at 7:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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How can Congress define Constitutional baselines?
Congress is given the authority to enforce the amendment in section 5, but that enforcement power is restricted to the limits and baselines created by the amendment.
You're proposing that "enforcement" also includes the ability to redefine what the amendment actually says, which would infer Congress can unilaterally re-write amendments. That's patently absurd. 80-IQ level argument.
Whatever enforcement authority Congress is granted is specifically limited by the constraints of the amendment itself. If Congress can supersede its authority and re-write those constraints then we have British Parliament with no Constitutional limitations
Congress can define what "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" mean akin to how it can determine the jurisdiction of SCOTUS (and lesser federal courts) outside of the constitutional grants of authority
Posted on 6/29/26 at 7:52 am to cajunangelle
Posted on 6/29/26 at 7:55 am to HagaDaga
It's time to stop this practice where a person is granted citizenship merely because they were born inside our borders. It was necessary to address the descendants of slaves but we're way past that need now.
Posted on 6/29/26 at 7:56 am to HagaDaga
To say it has “melt potential” is the understatement of the year.
A melt is assured.
A melt is assured.
Posted on 6/29/26 at 7:57 am to HagaDaga
No leaks yet?
Posted on 6/29/26 at 8:04 am to SlowFlowPro
People. US. Don't like change.
Birthright Citizenship
Why It Was Created
??? History: It was added to the Constitution in 1868 after the Civil War.
? Fairness: It ensured newly freed enslaved people were recognized as full citizens.
Birthright Citizenship
Why It Was Created
??? History: It was added to the Constitution in 1868 after the Civil War.
? Fairness: It ensured newly freed enslaved people were recognized as full citizens.
Posted on 6/29/26 at 8:10 am to cajunangelle
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or maybe he will write a letter to nola.com and say he is always right.
Posted on 6/29/26 at 8:12 am to mfabache
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? Fairness: It ensured newly freed enslaved people were recognized as full citizens.
I mean, that’s not the same thing at all
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