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re: Biden to close ‘gun-show loophole’ and expand background checks for firearms
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:48 am to TigersnJeeps
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:48 am to TigersnJeeps
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Remember, the ATF is also revoking FFLs at a high rate...
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Discontinue Being a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL)
When an FFL discontinues business, the FFL must send their firearms transactions records to the National Tracing Center (NTC). The NTC receives an average of 1.2 million out-of-business records per month and is the only repository for these records within the United States.
Yep.
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Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:51 am to stout
These gun control figs aren’t trying to stop gun violence; they’re trying to create gun databases. Criminals won’t purchase a firearm legally, whether it’s from an individual or a dealer. All this is going to do is document legal gun sales. This will NOT prevent ONE VIOLENT CRIME, and they know it.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:53 am to Semper Gumby
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These gun control figs aren’t trying to stop gun violence; they’re trying to create gun databases.
Clearly this is just trying to push more transactions through the system.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Nothing is done in a vacuum and the left is quite good at approaching their goals from different angles which 1) leads the un-informed to claim that action "a" is no big deal while missing actions "b" through "z" that supplant "a" and 2) makes it harder for 2A organizations and supporters to fight all the battles at hand...
Note that Dems also find ways to funnel tax-payer money to all these gun-control organizations as well. Some of which gets "donated" to the DNC...
Note that Dems also find ways to funnel tax-payer money to all these gun-control organizations as well. Some of which gets "donated" to the DNC...
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:15 pm to stout
As my Fundamentals of Criminal Law professor once said....."a loophole is just a law that you don't like." If he wants the law changed, he should petition Congress to change it, then see if it holds up to judicial scrutiny. This rule by executive order and bureaucratic "rule changing" is bullshite.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:31 pm to GumboPot
As explained to me by a progressive years ago, it is a sale of a firearm by a private individual who does not need to follow background checks or other paperwork to sell their firearm.
Now, for this strawman to come to life, criminals have to drive "out of State" to gun shows and ask around for individual(s) (not FFL) who is selling a firearm so they can buy with cash or other means and skate around the system.
It also almost certainly has to happen with a cash sale and NO paperwork.
IOW, there's a lot of dots to connect here. Typical propaganda.
Now, for this strawman to come to life, criminals have to drive "out of State" to gun shows and ask around for individual(s) (not FFL) who is selling a firearm so they can buy with cash or other means and skate around the system.
It also almost certainly has to happen with a cash sale and NO paperwork.
IOW, there's a lot of dots to connect here. Typical propaganda.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:37 pm to stout
Is there an out of the trunk loophole?
Posted on 4/11/24 at 1:09 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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K. Well, go find them. Maybe one of them is more used to dealing with toddlers
Im the toddler yet when you are asked a simple question you refuse to answer and then ask if im queer?
So we will ask again. Does a bump stock chamber fire bullets? Yes or No? If yes how many?
Posted on 4/11/24 at 1:11 pm to SDVTiger
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Im the toddler
Correct.
Keep pretending that you didn't support the same shite Biden is doing back in 2018.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 1:11 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Still wont answer 
Posted on 4/11/24 at 1:14 pm to SDVTiger
Correct.
You're a tard and you ask tard questions.
You're a tard and you ask tard questions.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 2:35 pm to stout
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No gun show I have ever attended is letting private individuals rent a booth to sell their personal collection
It's not that they don't let them it's that there's no possible way that your grandfather's old shotguns and hunting rifle is going to cover the cost of the table, much less make a profit. Gunshows are almost entirely online sellers. Good luck even finding a brick and mortar store with a table much less a private seller.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 2:49 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Figured
Posted on 4/11/24 at 2:50 pm to SDVTiger
Do you think it's OK to use the DOJ and AFT to unilaterally implement gun control measures?
Posted on 4/11/24 at 3:41 pm to GumboPot
I purchase a gun at a gun show years ago. I had to fill out the background paperwork. Not an addict, not a felon, etc. I’m sure it’s much more sophisticated now.
In essence…no loophole.
In essence…no loophole.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 3:51 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Melt
Posted on 4/11/24 at 3:53 pm to SDVTiger
Figured.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 3:55 pm to stout
(no message)
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 4/11/24 at 4:59 pm to stout
There are already rules in place. Enforce those.
What they don't want to do is go after the buyer or the possessor of the firearm.
Mandatory jail time for felons in possession, straw purchasers, or repeat offenders of illegal firearm purchases/possessions.
Never gonna happen.
What they don't want to do is go after the buyer or the possessor of the firearm.
Mandatory jail time for felons in possession, straw purchasers, or repeat offenders of illegal firearm purchases/possessions.
Never gonna happen.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 6:24 pm to GumboPot
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don't believe the gun-show loophole is even a real thing. It's my understanding to purchase guns at a gun-show you still go through the regular background checks, right?
Yes. Now it mentions flea markets but that’s not a for profit sale unless it’s an antique or something. It’s just someone trying to sell a used gun in a private sale.
This rule is to start the slippery slope to go after private sales between individuals. Theyll expand the scope of it to include individual private sales after the next couple mass shootings
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