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re: Biden to close ‘gun-show loophole’ and expand background checks for firearms

Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:02 am to
Posted by kengel2
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Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:02 am to
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affect “tens and tens of thousands of gun sales” each year



Damn near 16 million guns sold in 2023. What is that like a .01% impact?



Posted by ctiger69
Member since May 2005
31030 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:05 am to
95% of all gun crimes are committed by democrats.
99% of all gun crimes are committed in democrat voting counties.

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Biden to close ‘gun-show loophole’ and expand background checks for firearms



This does nothing.


Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:09 am to
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I never purchased a gun at a gun-show...what is the gun-show loophole?


A figment of the gun grabbers imaginations.

The only way to get a gun without a background check is private party. For example, you and I are at the range and you see my SR-15 and really like it and offer me a great price. I can in theory sell it to you on the spot, however if you go shoot up a school with it afterwards I’m in deep shite.

I have sold guns private party to people I know but it’s usually people I’ve known a long time.

If I sell you a gun on gun broker and ship it the gun goes FFL to FFL and you get a background check on the other end.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:09 am to
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it’s blatantly unconstitutional for a president to use EOs for gun control.

Is this an EO?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:09 am to
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No gun show I have ever attended is letting private individuals rent a booth to sell their personal collection

Read the facts of the indictment of that airport executive from Arkansas
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93382 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:10 am to
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I never purchased a gun at a gun-show...what is the gun-show loophole?

me either but apparently its 2 consenting adults who happen to be in the same place at the same time; one agreeing to buy and one agreeing to sell a firearm.

you know, normal shite except the dems can't handle the lack of control of knowing exactly what everyone has in their basement.

hmm, i cant IMAGINE why they want to inventory firearms. i guess there are so many gun owner collections jumping out of basements into THUG hands.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93382 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:12 am to
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Yes if you are purchasing from a dealer. No gun show I have ever attended is letting private individuals rent a booth to sell their personal collection which is what this aims to stop.


no, its individual sales between 2 adults that just so happen to be walking around the same building at the same time.

government needs to mind their damn business.
Posted by ezride25
Constitutional Republic
Member since Nov 2008
26565 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:17 am to
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following the deadly shooting at a school in Uvalde, Texas.


Still have like a billion questions about this one.
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
22017 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:22 am to
No ablo engwish.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:24 am to
Wonder if this applies to black powder firearms or relics?

Posted by Nurbis
Member since May 2020
2380 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:29 am to
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I never purchased a gun at a gun-show...what is the gun-show loophole?


I have bought one at a gun show from a licensed dealer and had to go through all of the normal background checks to buy it.

The whole point of the term is to make people think you can go to a gun show, buy any gun from any seller whether a licensed dealer or a private seller, and no background checks are required. Implying it is a free-for-all for criminals to get all the guns they want without issue.

As already stated by other posters, the "loophole" only applies to private sales and isn't a gun show loophole because obviously, a private sale can take place anywhere at any time. They can require background checks for private sales but it is impossible to enforce it so it is pointless.
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 10:32 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:33 am to
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Individual to individual gun sales don't require 4473s or background checks (in most states)

The vast majority of gun show sales are by dealers and utilize background checks

The gun show loophole isn't real, and it's the fantasy that the country is filled with people selling guns for profit without licensure/background checks




I'm amazed that term "gun-show loophole" triggers so many Dems to donate to Democrats and get off the couch and vote.
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:34 am to
We know you did
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:36 am to
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me either but apparently its 2 consenting adults who happen to be in the same place at the same time; one agreeing to buy and one agreeing to sell a firearm.



I purchased a stainless Walther PPK 380 from a friend just like this.
Posted by Achilles Hill
Member since Mar 2024
233 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:43 am to
I wish someone would release the percentages of crimes which are committed using legally purchased firearms.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87381 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:44 am to
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I'm amazed that term "gun-show loophole" triggers so many Dems to donate to Democrats and get off the couch and vote.



I've never understood the concept of being a passionate advocate against something you know so little about, and moreover, so much of what you claim to know is false (and easily identified as false with minimal effort).

I'll read something in passing and go spend 30 minutes figuring out some context for it. Democrats go decades without doing this on firearms while speaking boldly about them, it's just amazing.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:44 am to
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I'm amazed that term "gun-show loophole" triggers so many Dems to donate to Democrats and get off the couch and vote.

It's definitely a term that triggers emotional reactions from ignorants on the Left, but the scenario of a private seller showing up at a gun show and selling guns without using an FFL/background check does happen.

Like I said, this is exactly what that baw in Arkansas was doing

sorry, and to clarify it wasn't the facts of the indictment, it was the warrant affidavit


Local news article summary

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Undercover federal agents purchased another three from Malinowski at central Arkansas gun shows, the affidavit stated.

According to the affidavit, Malinowski would purchase guns through legal means, checking off a box on the purchase form that he was buying the gun for himself. He would then resell the just-purchased guns in as little as 24 hours through gun shows where he maintained a table or through private sales.
Posted by Von
Wichita Falls, TX
Member since Feb 2019
2667 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:45 am to
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if you are purchasing from a dealer. No gun show I have ever attended is letting private individuals rent a booth to sell their personal collection which is what this aims to stop.

Depends on where it is and who is organizing it.
I recently went to a gun show that allowed private sellers to rent booth space. Those are the booths everyone went to first and the dealers weren't happy about that.
To my knowledge this is a recent development. This was the first gun show I'd been to or heard of that allowed private sellers to rent a booth.

Not advocating for this legislation. It's an obvious overreach designed to eliminate private sales and get everyone on a list.
Tyrants love lists.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:45 am to
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I'm amazed that term "gun-show loophole" triggers so many Dems to donate to Democrats and get off the couch and vote.



NRA puts them in hives, despite the fact that the NRA is benign and the only power it holds is the sheer number of members.
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
23259 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:45 am to
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“So many communities have been torn apart by acts of violence committed with weapons bought without background checks,” she continued.


“So many communities have been torn apart by acts of goooooooooooooooooooberment infringement of the 2nd Amendment by preventing citizens from purchasing guns,” is what Kamala "Heels Up" Harris should have said!!

I fixed it for her.
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