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re: Bayou Brief just ended Ralph Abrahams shot at Gov
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:30 am to 1897
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:30 am to 1897
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How did you calculate that?
FWIW, I believe you are right. just wondering the steps you took
365×6=2190 days
1,400,000 pills÷2190 days = 639 pills/day
639÷2=319.5 people taking 2 pills/day
320 people ÷ 6,000 (stated population) = 5.3%
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Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:31 am to cwill
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The two parishes together have a pop of about 40,000. Let's just say the pharmacies together serve a pop of 10,000. That's 23 pills/person/year. I don't know if that's high or low, but I do think the writer of the article is trying to inflate the numbers for a hit piece.
If a person takes a pain pill every 4-6 hours. That makes it about 6 days worth of pills per person per year. Obviously it is more complicated than that because cancer pt and chronic pain syndrome patients take way more than 6 days worth of pain meds per year.
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:32 am to hawkeye007
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Cliff notes. The 2 pharmacies he own's in North LA sold 1.4 million pain pills in a 6 year period to a population of 6000 people.
That's litterally .1 pill per day per person.
Once again the left trying to take advantage of those who don't think.
So many real questions, like (who prescribed? what's the recommended daily dosage on these pills? were the 6000 users all unique? what's average for a population of that size?)
Once again the useful idiots will jump on this to scream REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and the real thinkers will see straight through this propaganda disguised as reporting.
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:34 am to hawkeye007
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Bayou Brief just ended Ralph Abrahams shot at Gov
What a ludicrous contention. You should feel bad, but I know you don’t.
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:47 am to hawkeye007
That's a daily dosage, at one a day, for 578 people. I assumed 7 years. 06.07,08,09,10,11,12. If a script says 2 a day its 289 people.
Given that it doesn't seem out of the mainstream, given the obvious epidemic going on. The pharmacy is not prescribing this. The docs are and there are probably no CVS, etc around there.
It would be interesting to see the numbers from 13 to now and how all of the compares to overall national and regional numbers.
Looks like a hit piece to me.
Given that it doesn't seem out of the mainstream, given the obvious epidemic going on. The pharmacy is not prescribing this. The docs are and there are probably no CVS, etc around there.
It would be interesting to see the numbers from 13 to now and how all of the compares to overall national and regional numbers.
Looks like a hit piece to me.
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:48 am to hawkeye007
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hawkeye007
100% chance you don’t return to eat your crow. Sensationalist dumbass
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:50 am to WeeWee
Even at 40000 the numbers are huge.
HUGE. That is 35 per person if EVERY person took them.
Nobody in my family has taken 35 pills of anything over 5 years (my wife has been through menopause and wears patches sometimes but doesn't take BC any more)
HUGE. That is 35 per person if EVERY person took them.
Nobody in my family has taken 35 pills of anything over 5 years (my wife has been through menopause and wears patches sometimes but doesn't take BC any more)
This post was edited on 8/29/19 at 11:54 am
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:53 am to LSUFanHouston
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If he really thinks pills are better than medical dope, that's a problem.
1. The study that claimed medical marijuana might be a substitute for opioids had not been released when Abraham made those comments.
2. Are you a Dr? Do you read medical literature on a regular basis? If so you would know that medical marijuana does not have the research behind it to back it up as a substitute for opioids as of now (that might change and I am hoping that it does change in the near future).
quote:Feburary 2019 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association
Recent state regulations (eg, in New York, Illinois) allow medical cannabis as a substitute for opioids for chronic pain and for addiction. Yet the evidence regarding safety, efficacy, and comparative effectiveness is at best equivocal for the former recommendation and strongly suggests the latter—substituting cannabis for opioid addiction treatments is potentially harmful. Neither recommendation meets the standards of rigor desirable for medical treatment decisions.
Also the 2014 study is not holding up well to further evaluation.
quote:LINK
Medical cannabis has been touted as a solution to the US opioid overdose crisis since Bachhuber et al. [M. A. Bachhuber, B. Saloner, C. O. Cunningham, C. L. Barry, JAMA Intern. Med. 174, 1668–1673] found that from 1999 to 2010 states with medical cannabis laws experienced slower increases in opioid analgesic overdose mortality. That research received substantial attention in the scientific literature and popular press and served as a talking point for the cannabis industry and its advocates, despite caveats from the authors and others to exercise caution when using ecological correlations to draw causal, individual-level conclusions. In this study, we used the same methods to extend Bachhuber et al.’s analysis through 2017. Not only did findings from the original analysis not hold over the longer period, but the association between state medical cannabis laws and opioid overdose mortality reversed direction from -21% to +23% and remained positive after accounting for recreational cannabis laws. We also uncovered no evidence that either broader (recreational) or more restrictive (low-tetrahydrocannabinol) cannabis laws were associated with changes in opioid overdose mortality. We find it unlikely that medical cannabis—used by about 2.5% of the US population—has exerted large conflicting effects on opioid overdose mortality. A more plausible interpretation is that this association is spurious. Moreover, if such relationships do exist, they cannot be rigorously discerned with aggregate data. Research into therapeutic potential of cannabis should continue, but the claim that enacting medical cannabis laws will reduce opioid overdose death should be met with skepticism.
I am a medical doctor that is very strongly in the pro medical marijuana camp, but your assertion is just not backed up by evidence at this point.
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:56 am to WeeWee
I am not saying Abraham did anything wrong but if a community that small is consumer 1.4 million pain pills over 5 years doctors are WAY over prescribing pain meds.
They took my gall bladder out and give me a prescription I never used. Unless there was an opioid in the drip that was connected to me when I came out of surgery I have never taken an opioid.
They took my gall bladder out and give me a prescription I never used. Unless there was an opioid in the drip that was connected to me when I came out of surgery I have never taken an opioid.
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:59 am to I B Freeman
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Even at 40000 the numbers are huge.
No they aren’t.
quote:
HUGE. That is 35 per person if EVERY person took them.
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Nobody in my family has taken 35 pills of anything over 5 years
That does it! No one in I b chinamans family has taken 35 pills in 5 years therefore I declare 35 pills in 5 years a HUGEEEEEE amount!
Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:00 pm to I B Freeman
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They took my gall bladder out and give me a prescription I never used. Unless there was an opioid in the drip that was connected to me when I came out of surgery I have never taken an opioid.
You sound like a blast to hang around with.
Run back to tariffs, clown.
Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:01 pm to I B Freeman
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hummm my math says there are 6000 people in the community and 1.4 million divided by 6000 means 233 pills per person.
That's only if you imagine that only those people were served, which is stupid and precisely the kind of low-IQ leading the author intended. Not surprising you went with it of course....
Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:01 pm to WeeWee
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I am a medical doctor that is very strongly in the pro medical marijuana camp, but your assertion is just not backed up by evidence at this point.
Well then you know more than me =)
But why not push for both?
Maybe I'm jaded as I see a huge problem with pill pushers, and pills resold on the street.
People are dying from pill overuse... no one seems to be dying from smoking dope.
To me it's a follow the money thing. If he owns a pharmacy that sells opioids but not medical dope, of course he's going to say opioids are better.
Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:01 pm to hawkeye007
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Lamar White Jr.
I thought he crawled into a hole never to be heard from again after Ellen Carmichael took his whiny butt to task several years ago and made him cry like a little bitch.
Guess he’s back.
This post was edited on 8/29/19 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:01 pm to I B Freeman
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Even at 40000 the numbers are huge.
They are well below the national average.
quote:
HUGE. That is 35 per person if EVERY person took them.
Check yo math homeboy. It is 1.4 million pills over a 6 year period not 1.4 million pills per year.
1,400,000 pill / 6 years = 233,000 pills per year / 40,000 people = 5.8 pills per person per year or roughly one day's worth of oral pain medication.
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Nobody in my family has taken 35 pills of anything over 5 years
Totally unrelated to the topic at hand.
Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:04 pm to beerJeep
Don't be such so silly.
A quick google shows that there are 484 per 100000 people diagnosed with cancer every year. So if you multiple that ratio by the 40,000 number (is it right?) that is 193 cases per year. If every one of those cancer patients took 4 pills a day for a year you still are only administering 772 pills per year for cancer victims in that area.
Now add up every malady that might require chronic pain meds and compare to the cancer number and you will never get to 1.4 million pills.
A quick google shows that there are 484 per 100000 people diagnosed with cancer every year. So if you multiple that ratio by the 40,000 number (is it right?) that is 193 cases per year. If every one of those cancer patients took 4 pills a day for a year you still are only administering 772 pills per year for cancer victims in that area.
Now add up every malady that might require chronic pain meds and compare to the cancer number and you will never get to 1.4 million pills.
Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:04 pm to doubleb
quote:It was supposed to be, baw. Here's to a N. LA governor.
The article is poorly written and not clear.
Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:05 pm to hawkeye007
By golly youve done it!
but seriously, is he really that clean that this is the big hit piece on him? If so, well done Abraham.
but seriously, is he really that clean that this is the big hit piece on him? If so, well done Abraham.
Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:05 pm to I B Freeman
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I am not saying Abraham did anything wrong but if a community that small is consumer 1.4 million pain pills over 5 years doctors are WAY over prescribing pain meds.
1. Abraham did not prescribe all the pills.
2. It is a 6 year period.
quote:
They took my gall bladder out and give me a prescription I never used. Unless there was an opioid in the drip that was connected to me when I came out of surgery I have never taken an opioid.
You have taken an opioid.
Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:06 pm to hawkeye007
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The 2 pharmacies he own's in North LA sold 1.4 million pain pills in a 6 year period to a population of 6000 people.
If he is running as a republican I'm sure nobody here will care.
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