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re: Barna research says 32 million churchgoing Christians are sitting out the election
Posted on 10/10/24 at 12:58 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 10/10/24 at 12:58 pm to FooManChoo
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I just can't continue to vote for someone else who might not be nearly as bad just because the alternative is worse. At some point, I need to remember that God is in control of all things and that my highest allegiance is to Him, not to America, though I do love this country and am saddened by how far gone she is.
And by NOT voting for Trump... by sitting this one out, you ARE voting for a candidate that you know, for certain, will do nothing but help carry America even further away from God. The alternative isn't just worse... it's much, much worse.
Throughout the Bible, did not God use flawed men to achieve His purposes?
While admittedly, Trump is not the perfect choice, will he do more harm or good for the Christian community? He may say and believe in certain abortion exceptions... but what is his governing stance on the issue? Leave it up to the states. Which is exactly what he did and will do.
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Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:00 pm to Monahans
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This post was edited on 11/1/24 at 10:54 am
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:00 pm to FooManChoo
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I'll be sitting this one out this year. As much as I do hope Trump wins over Harris, I can't give my endorsement to anyone who doesn't seek Christ's kingdom and seeks to govern for His glory above all else.
How about you vote against the side trying to attack Christ?
You people that think you are somehow righteous for not voting based on what you just said are morons.
God grants you the right to vote, so you turn around and allow the Government to supersede that God given right.
Get the frick out to the polls and do your fricking job.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:01 pm to FooManChoo
God was in control when millions of people died in both World Wars and countless other conflicts and political/religious persecutions throughout history. Simply because he allows events to take their course doesn’t mean he endorses the actions it took to get there. Again, God gave you a brain to use. So, one day in the future if you are sitting in a gulag or prison camp and you got there for standing up for Christ then you should rejoice. Otherwise, you are simply there due to inaction which was not God’s will. If you really believed what you are espousing then you would be campaigning for Christian candidates and donating to them which is why I don’t believe you
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:06 pm to Rip Torn
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Again, God gave you a brain to use. So, one day in the future if you are sitting in a gulag or prison camp and you got there for standing up for Christ then you should rejoice. Otherwise, you are simply there due to inaction which was not God’s will.
God, why are we being so prosecuted now? Why is abortion so rampant? Why are they getting their way in everything now?
"Well, my child, I gave you an election to vote in. You chose to not vote at all."
This post was edited on 10/10/24 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:06 pm to llfshoals
quote:But it is.
So don’t say it’s because of their faith.
quote:You don't think that people can have changes in their personal convictions on matters? I have on this issue.
It wasn’t important to you then, it’s not important to you now unless you’re planning on never voting again.
And yes, I am resigned to the unfortunate expectation that I won't be voting for President again. The Democrats don't want Biblical Christianity to exist, it seems, and Republicans have been shunning Christians for a while.
quote:It's definitely not a virtue signal. At least I'm not intending it to be. The topic was pertinent to my recent changes in convictions and I'm engaging in discussion about it. That's all.
In your own way your virtue signaling is as bad as any of the liberals.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:08 pm to Rip Torn
quote:1st, there's a difference between casualties of war and straight up murder. It's not un-Christian to engage in or support a just war.
George W Bush killed tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis. I am beginning to wonder if you even know the scriptures you profess to rigidly adhere to
That being said, I don't now agree that the war was just due to the lies told about WMDs.
2nd, based on further understanding of the Bush Presidency, I'm not convinced I would vote for him again if it were possible to do so.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:08 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I've seen numbers like this bandied about. I'm not sure how this has been determined. It seems dubious to me.
Its certainly not reflected in the polling data. If it was Trump would be losing swing states and he is tied or ahead in most.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:08 pm to DarthTiger
You are more ignorant of the scriptures than he is lol God’s plan is the Gospel of Christ, nothing more. Revelation has nothing to do with God’s plan and isn’t some apocalyptic road map for his return. That’s complete nonsense, Jesus himself states that he doesn’t know the date or hour of his return but John Hagee and a bunch of charismatic evangelicals do if you just read it carefully enough, lol sure thing
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:08 pm to TDTOM
quote:While that's a typical talking point, that's factually not true.
By not voting for Trump you are supporting it.
I plainly and unequivocally do not support it.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:09 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
Republicans have been shunning Christians for a while.
By doing what? What was different about them in 2004?
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:09 pm to Rip Torn
quote:Yes.
You do understand that every government on Earth doesn’t believe in freedom of religion, correct?
quote:I understand this.
Then you should also understand that that freedom could be greatly curtailed or taken away if the US government continues to drift to the Left
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:11 pm to FooManChoo
Just keep thinking God is going to pay your light bill next month too.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:11 pm to FooManChoo
quote:Baws sitting around praying and waiting on Jesus to come back to fix shite is what’s gotten us in this shitty situation. Grow some balls and do something baw.
I'll be sitting this one out this year. As much as I do hope Trump wins over Harris, I can't give my endorsement to anyone who doesn't seek Christ's kingdom and seeks to govern for His glory above all else.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:11 pm to Enadious
quote:Why not say that God sent me Harris to vote for?
God sent you Trump to vote for. You remind me of this:
While God is sovereign over all things, including raising up and removing rulers, I am still accountable for my actions. While I have no Christian duty to vote for President, I have a duty to honor the Lord above all things including and especially when it's very difficult to do so.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:11 pm to FooManChoo
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While that's a typical talking point, that's factually not true.
I plainly and unequivocally do not support it.
You 100% are.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:13 pm to bleedpg
quote:Relief, probably.
So if Trumps wins how will you feel then?
quote:I'll say with the Apostle Paul that I'm the chief of sinners. This has nothing to do with thinking that a person is more or less sinful than I am. This is about who I give my endorsement for with my vote. That is all.
I'm confused. Sounds a little cowardly? Like maybe you will benefit from Trump winning but can at the same time preach how sinful Trump is and thus you're not sinful? I want my cake and eat it too. Kinda makes me angry at you if I think along those lines. Trump is not perfect and is not Jesus Christ. We will never have the perfect candidate.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:13 pm to TDTOM
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You 100% are.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:13 pm to FooManChoo
If you can't get up the motivation to go vote for Trump can you at at least encourage others in your family/friends circle to do so?
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:16 pm to MemphisGuy
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And by NOT voting for Trump
The con job Trump has pulled on evangelicals is amazing. There is nothing Christian about Donald Trump. He is a narcissistic philanderer who cares nothing about anyone but himself.
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