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re: Barna research says 32 million churchgoing Christians are sitting out the election

Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:21 pm to
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
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Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:21 pm to
A no vote for Trump is only helping Harris.
Posted by John Barron
The Mar-a-Lago Club
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Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:23 pm to
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Grow some balls and do something baw.


He is the same person that watches a child get sexually abused and does nothing about it but pray God will help. He is worse than the sexual abuser
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:26 pm to
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Ah, I see now. So you'd rather vote for a lying snake who publicly professed to be a Christian, but is actually Satanic in ever sense of the word, more than an honest and transparent man, who stands for conservative Christian values, even if he's not a born again believer?
I don't think you're following. I don't think I could vote for Bush again either. My point was that--at the time--I thought Bush was a sincere Christian who lived according to his profession of faith. Whether he does now or not, I don't know, but back then, I could only vote on what I believed to be true.

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And you'll not vote for Trump because he's doesn't support a nationwide abortion ban, but you'll essentially be helping Kamala Harris, who actively wants to make late term abortions legal and accessible nationwide.
It's not just his lack of support for a nationwide ban on abortion, but his specific position on abortion along with other ways he blasphemes Christ with his words and actions.

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And you're doing this all while living in one of the crucial swing states that will determine the election?
I don't live in Georgia and where I do live, my vote will not matter towards the outcome.

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So you're a hypocrite.
I am not a hypocrite but I'm sorry you feel this way. I'm a sinner and when I sin, I repent of it to God.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:27 pm to
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I plainly and unequivocally do not support it


BS. Not voting for Trump, you are plainly and unequivocally supporting it. That's what makes you worse.
Posted by DarthTiger
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Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:29 pm to
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This post was edited on 11/1/24 at 10:55 am
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:31 pm to
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I don't think you're following. I don't think I could vote for Bush again either. My point was that--at the time--I thought Bush was a sincere Christian who lived according to his profession of faith. Whether he does now or not, I don't know, but back then, I could only vote on what I believed to be true.



This is why I make it a practice to not pretend I have any ability to peer inside the souls of elected officials (or those running for office), and simply look at what they say they are going to do, and more importantly, what they actually do as public servants, outside of and apart from any purported professions of faith.

Posted by bleedpg
Hot Springs Village, Arkansas
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:32 pm to
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So if Trumps wins how will you feel then?
Relief, probably.


You see this is where you lose me. It sounds to me like you want someone else to vote for you so that you will be relieved if Trump wins. This way you can say you took the moral high ground. No respect I have for you.

Well I'm a Christian. I will sin for you so that you don't have to. That way you can be relieved.
This post was edited on 10/10/24 at 1:40 pm
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:33 pm to
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who cares nothing about anyone but himself.


you are a dem because you have zero shame after being so fn dumb with this false narrative

cuck loser

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This post was edited on 10/10/24 at 1:34 pm
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
12243 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:35 pm to
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Fat Bastard


thin skinned Trump fanboy who can't stand legitimate and benign criticism of his hero. You are just like Trump. A thin skinned pussy.
Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
6035 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:35 pm to
I am not unsure at all but many Christians believe that means you will be shielded from harm or won’t suffer any consequences for your actions. At no point have I implied or stated I was unsure, but nice deflection. He was in control when Jesus was suffering on the cross. How far are you willing to go for your convictions? Apparently not even walking the distance of your car to the voting booth, how honorable lol
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:35 pm to
You seem to be very bent out of shape about this. I haven't said that anyone else must do what I'm doing. I'm just expressing my opinion based on my own personal convictions on the matter.

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First off that is not even the definition of sin in the Bible, which is comical at this point
Do you dispute that Romans 14 says that anything not done by faith is sin?

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and Jesus never speaks on politics.
The Bible as a whole informs my belief on this matter, and since the Bible is the word of God, then I don't elevate the red letters above the black ones. It is all equally authoritative.

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We are all given a brain by God to ascertain what to do in a difficult situation.
Yes, and we are also given instruction by God on how to live our lives for His Kingdom.

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Every Christian wishes we had better options but we don’t, so to suggest that you are somehow taking the moral high ground by not voting at all is nonsensical.
If I had the choice between voting for Hitler and Stalin, abstaining from voting seems to be a pretty good thing to do. Our choices are always so black and white, yet there is nothing fundamentally wrong with refusing to vote for the lesser of two evils. I'm not a pragmatist when it comes to my convictions.

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The other option will implement policies that will drive whatever religious vestiges are left in the government and society so far away from it that it may not be salvageable.
Perhaps, and yet I am not to put my trust in people but in God.
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:35 pm to
I can attest that the mega church crowd in Texas is far less enthusiastic about Trump this election than in 2016 or 2020.

The number of Harris signs in upper/middle class urban and suburban hoods is also striking…

But trump is still gonna win Texas. The large rural vote is locked down and there’s been an undervalued shift among Hispanic males.
Posted by Fat Bastard
alter hunter
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:36 pm to
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ronricks


what a loser democrat you are



This post was edited on 10/10/24 at 2:26 pm
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
12243 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:39 pm to
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democrat


You are unhinged if you think I am voting for Kamala Harris.

What you idiots can't understand is just because someone isn't voting for Trump that doesn't make them a 'democrat' or a 'liberal'. You are too dumb to even converse with and you have the mentality of a teenaged girl. You are weak.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:44 pm to
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So the person that has shown he wants to protect your freedoms, even religious. You are willing to sit out knowing the opponent wants to destroy Christianity including making abortion easier than going to Walmart 2 mins prior to birth?
Don't mistake my conviction for doing what I believe is right regarding my allegiance to Jesus Christ with some flippant position that I haven't given any thought to. I'm extremely sympathetic to those who do not believe as I do, and on some level, I'd like to vote for Trump for the very reasons provided by you and others. I don't take this lightly.

That said, I believe that I cannot any longer vote for someone who does not honor Christ as Lord either in his beliefs or his actions, even if there are some temporary practical benefits for them being in a position of authority.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:45 pm to
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You really like Kamala this time?
I very much dislike her. I think she is evil and I hope she repents of her sins and truly trust in Christ for her salvation before it is too late. She does not exhibit fruits of a saved individual.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87384 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:46 pm to
Candidly, I think you've said about all you can here.

You can't/shouldn't expect people to come around to a practical appreciation for a spiritual decision, IMO.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:49 pm to
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This is such BS. By not voting Trump, you are supporting Drag Queens reading and stripping for 6 year olds why the parents look on and clap.
I'm sorry you have bought into this form of thinking. I'm not supporting drag queens reading and stripping for 6 year olds because I am not voting for Trump.

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You think God will welcome you into his kingdom with that choice Think again, you are worse then the Drag Queens themselves
Salvation is based on trusting in Christ's atoning work on the cross alone to pay for my sins, not in my voting patterns.
Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
6035 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:50 pm to
I dispute your interpretation of Romans Chapter 14 as the definition of sin, yes I do and so does the rest of the Bible. I am beginning to wonder if you know anything about the Bible other than a Google search. Bent out of shape? Lol, hardly but I do find it comical how little most American Christians are willing to do for Christ including preventing your own country from going down the drain which includes the very difficult task of waiting in line for 15 minutes. If the Twelve Apostles had been chosen from Americans, I am not sure they could be bothered with leaving the house. It is sad to see a nation that once was founded on some what Christian ideals drift into societal decay due to voter apathy like yourself
Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
6035 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:52 pm to
Especially when it’s a fake one or ignorant one for lack of understanding
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