re: Barna research says 32 million churchgoing Christians are sitting out the election

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If you can understand my position on that, perhaps you can at least understand a little of where I'm coming from with my position

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But you are effectively contributing to the reduction in freedom for those that spread the Word.

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I simply cannot in good conscience vote for someone who is an enemy of my Lord in such a way.

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Which candidate us the enemy of the Lord?
Trump's Court appointments ended Roe v Wade. That's more accomplished than any pastor who meets your approval.

You seem to be the main character in the Drowning Man Parable.

"God uses crooked sticks to draw straight lines."

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Foo, I understand where you're coming from, but may I offer some words of wisdom?

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Yes please. I welcome advice and correction where appropriate

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The President of the United States is not tasked with leading this country to heaven. That is the job of your pastor and fellow Christians.

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I agree that the President is not responsible for leading this country to heaven, but I also believe that Christians should support godly leaders in all areas of life, including and especially in the highest offices of our land. One doesn't need to be a pastor to lead in a godly way.

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I agree that it would be nice if we had a candidate who will espouse Christian ideals and support them through his public works, but that is not even reasonable at this point in time.

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I agree. It seems that each year, Christians are being excluded more and more from the public sphere and having a secular political candidate is even preferred to having one who is religious or who has strong religious principles.

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My point is simply this: if you and everyone who thinks like you sits this one out, then our children will suffer beyond our comprehension because of the evils that will be heaped upon them if Harris wins. The situation is that dire, my friend.

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I completely understand where you are coming from on this. I used to think the same way. Every election in the past 20 years it seems has been the most important election of our lifetime, and I expect it will continue to be that way for the foreseeable future as the political left continues to take off its mask of neutrality and uncovers a demon underneath.

The problem is that politicians will not save us. If Trump gets in, we might have a slower decline for a few years, but it will still be a decline of this nation. The left is on the attack constantly and the right is content to merely put the brakes on the descent but not go in the other direction. The other direction needs to be a return to biblical principles of governance, recognition of Christ as head over all nations with an intent to honor Him with how we operate our country. Secularism will not end well, and Trump is the epitome of secularism.

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Just something to think about.

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Thank you again for your gentle guidance. While I have thought a lot about my position on this and am not swayed, I appreciate your kindness

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I'll be sitting this one out this year. As much as I do hope Trump wins over Harris, I can't give my endorsement to anyone who doesn't seek Christ's kingdom and seeks to govern for His glory above all else.

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Go vote for Trump, you fool.

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Well his ignorant of the scriptures and he is proclaiming his piety on a message board so yes there are plenty of reasons.

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I don't think he's ignorant of scripture nor proclaiming piety. That said, I don't see a lot of benefit to him continuing to try to explain it (given the audience and context).

I certainly don't think Foo is the type of "Christian" to support homosexuality or defend abortion - to the contrary. In fact, I suspect Foo might be turned off by Trump's endorsement/embrace of LGBT stuff and abortion "rights".

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I believe the posters who are upvoting you are Kamala voters. They agree with you 100%

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I'm not an unreasonable or generally ignorant person. I understand fully that my position is not shared by most people. I don't say what I say for the upvotes.

Not to disparage a fellow brother in Christ, but you’d not be able to support King David using your standard. He was an adulterer and an a murderer. Moses was a murderer. Peter denied Christ three times. They were mortals as fallible as both you and I. Just remember King Cyrus, he was far from a Godly man. He was used by God.

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And by NOT voting for Trump... by sitting this one out, you ARE voting for a candidate that you know, for certain, will do nothing but help carry America even further away from God. The alternative isn't just worse... it's much, much worse.

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I haver to say it again, I'm not voting for anyone. By not voting for Trump, I am NOT voting for Harris. If I find out that a vote was cast for Harris on my ballot, I'll raise a stink about it.

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Throughout the Bible, did not God use flawed men to achieve His purposes?

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He certainly did and it's His prerogative to do so. He also used the sin of Joseph's brothers for good, as Joseph, himself, recognized. However God using wicked and flawed men for good purposes doesn't mean that I should purposefully support and endorse such men against my conscience because God might use them for good purposes.

In fact, Romans 8 says that all things work together for good for those who are called according to God's purposes. That means all evil and wicked will be used for good by God. That doesn't mean I'm supposed to support wicked and evil actions or people because God will use them for good.

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While admittedly, Trump is not the perfect choice, will he do more harm or good for the Christian community? He may say and believe in certain abortion exceptions... but what is his governing stance on the issue? Leave it up to the states. Which is exactly what he did and will do.

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I agree that Trump's particular positions would be less harmful to the Christian community in the short-term, I'm not voting based on pragmatism. Perhaps you and others think I should, but that's not where my convictions lie. I'm purposefully rejecting political pragmatism.

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I'll be sitting this one out this year. As much as I do hope Trump wins over Harris, I can't give my endorsement to anyone who doesn't seek Christ's kingdom and seeks to govern for His glory above all else.

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I don't have much faith in our system but this is just stupid

If true I pray you and the people like you suffer the most under Kamala

I sincerely hope that before anyone else loses a thing you lose all you have

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God speaks through His word in the Scriptures. If the Spirit convicts me otherwise, then so be it, but I'm firm on this.

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Fair enough. Everyone has to do what they think is right.