re: At least some at the Daily Wire are starting to ask the right questions.

This take is dumb. Even Shapiro was saying on his show that Assad’s replacement might not be any better and that there may be no real solutions here.

quote:

---

So just hypothetically, if we weren’t closely allied with their forever enemy and using CIA ops to destabilize nations throughout the region (Iran, Syria, Libya, etc) why would they be looking to bomb us or even see us as an immediate threat?

And if they did still look to bomb us why wouldn’t we just adopt the policy that any state sponsored act of terrorism would be viewed as a direct act of war and their leaders held personally responsible like Trump did with Afghanistan?

And if we weren’t involved in their direct business every single day wouldn’t that reduce the need for this supposed wealth of regional intel Israel may or may not share with us at their whim?

And why the hell do we need to rely on Mossad for intel when we spend more than the rest of the world combined on various intel agencies annually?

Outside of ensuring the oil flows, maintaining the USD as reserve currency and keeping the Chinese out of the region we should aim to establish peace as a third party and focus on getting our own house in order.

I don’t see how Israel helps us accomplish those goals.

---

Basically your entire post boils down to this: Isn't it our fault that people in the Middle East want to kill us?

"No" is the rational answer.

They would hate us no matter what we did, just like they hate all non-Muslim nations.

Besides, you know how I said there was more, but the intel was enough? Well, the Red Sea shipping lanes are some of the most important shipping lanes in the world and very important for US trade.

We have exactly one possibility for an ally in that area (and not because of anything we've done, except not be a Muslim theocracy).

Should we take that one possibility, or not?

Hmmm...that's a tough one. If you're a moron, I guess.

It used to only be the left that lived by HATE AMERICA FIRST.

It's amazing to me that now it's the right.

It's even more amazing how fast that switcharoo happened. Basically since the end of the Obama administration.

quote:

---

At a minimum, they are our only source of military intelligence in a region of the world from which the last attack on American soil came.

---

Did they help stop 9/11? How about the attack on the USS Cole or the Beirut barracks bombing?

They've conducted espionage against us.

I believe they of course have fantastic intel over not just the Middle East but the entire globe. I also 100% believe they have shared important intel with the US. But I also believe they have withheld vital intel that they believed in doing so would help their cause in the Middle East and thus did not share. Just know them for what they are. A country surrounded. A country who believes only in themselves. To them their survival is paramount above all else. In the end no one is one of them. Know this and proceed accordingly.

The great NJF has been all over this, mates. It's scintillating internet television

Epic

quote:

---

Start with John Nelson Darby and C.I. Scoefield and his reference bible. Then look into who backed Scoefield's reference bible and what else they were involved in at the start of the 20th century

---

Thanks for your comment and opening my eyes.

quote:

---

Basically your entire post boils down to this: Isn't it our fault that people in the Middle East want to kill us?

---

We routinely screw around with their national governments. It’d be shorter to make a list of the nations we haven’t fought or toppled over there than to list the ones we have.

For ***** sake we are the ones who armed and trained Bin Laden.

We created ISIS to topple Syria so we could run a pipeline through that country.

Are you genuinely suggesting that interfering with other nations specifically including armed force or open war isn’t likely to make them more not less hostile to us?

quote:

---

We have exactly one possibility for an ally in that area (and not because of anything we've done, except not be a Muslim theocracy).

---

The Saudis were in process of drawing closer to us after the attempted hit on the crown prince in Vegas under Trump until Biden did what Biden does and blew up the whole deal and the Middle East peace that had been brokered under Kushner.

We don’t need to do summer vacation over there. We just need the oil to flow, the dollar to be what it’s traded in and for them not to blow up anyone outside the region.

The Israelis have their own agenda. When it overlaps with ours, great.

We have no business getting involved with their border wars if it doesn’t directly benefit the US.

quote:

---

It used to only be the left that lived by HATE AMERICA FIRST. It's amazing to me that now it's the right.

---

This is one of the most laughable straw men arguments I’ve ever seen.

I suggest that we should only partner with Israel when it benefits America and should avoid getting into their fights when it doesn’t to avoid pissing off otherwise neutral nations over there and somehow you want to redirect that to hating America? You’re a joke.

So again, the sum total of the benefits in allying with Israel unilaterally are:
-Jesus
-Intel from Mossad

Anything else you want to list?

quote:

---

No one said a strategic ally has to be your best friend or never act against your interests. The criteria is, when all things are considered, is it a net positive relationship?

---

The US taxpayers give an obscene amount of money to Israel every year. Thousands upon thousands of US military have died in wars for their country. These wars result in hundreds of thousands of 3rd world "refugees", which Israel pushes into western, white nations. How is this a net positive relationship?

quote:

---

We DO know for a fact that they were very helpful to us during the Cold War.

---

I'm sure the crew of the USS Liberty agree with you.