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re: As I get older I start to wonder if Capitalism is really the best approach

Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:01 am to
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:01 am to
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That's simply a euphemistic way of saying, creating distinct winners and losers, and class stratification

What’s wrong with having winners/losers, and different classes? Particularly if a) there’s movement up, down and between classes, and hose at the lowest end of the economic ladder are doing light years better than they’d be doing in any other economic system?
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 4:37 am to
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Don't be a milquetoast. Pure capitalism is based on consensual agreement between producer and consumer. It doesn't get any purer than that.


Doesn't mean there aren't cons. Take monopolies as an example.
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
9214 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 4:39 am to
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When you have to be bonded, licensed, and insured to paint a house or cut hair ..


That's the state protecting it's income streams outside of taxes
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 7:05 am to

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As I get older I start to wonder if Capitalism is really the best approach


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Or maybe it isn’t compatible with our modern culture?


Don't blame the lazy and those who choose to live a life within a bubble which equates victimhood with nobility for Capitalism not working as well as it should. That's not the fault of Capitalism, it's the fault of the ever-tightening restrictions the bubble-dwellers put on free trade.

Once you strip away the rhetoric and politics, Capitalism is nothing more than two ordinary people being able to freely enter into a transaction and negotiate price between themselves until both feel they are getting a good deal. There's simply no other economic system which is better than that.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 7:06 am to
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Doesn't mean there aren't cons. Take monopolies as an example.


No system is perfect. In a Socialist/Communist system, the monopoly is the government.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 7:09 am to
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That's simply a euphemistic way of saying, creating distinct winners and losers, and class stratification and warfare.


Thats how life works, and has always worked.


It works best when those who put in the work are rewarded the most, and those who don't do shite are left to their own devices.

Some people in this thread really struggle to understand we do not have a free economy, and the reason it is not free is the reason there's severe stratification.

Govt picks winners and losers in this game of corporatism/technocracy. Do people really think giving government MORE power fixes anything?
This post was edited on 10/18/22 at 7:10 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 7:17 am to
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creating distinct winners and losers
Do tell.

How does one become a loser in Capitalism?

In a society where an immigrant can go from hand-to-mouth to the richest man on the planet in 30 years, how exactly does "class stratification and warfare" work?
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 7:17 am to
Hi, new idiot....
Posted by Bulldogblitz
In my house
Member since Dec 2018
28107 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 7:18 am to
I think the biggest mistake was the point in which the slaves were free and none of them were sent back.
Posted by GoT1de
Alabama
Member since Aug 2009
5041 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 7:19 am to
I saw poll that asked:
Do you think that the government should do more to help me, or the government should do more to leave me alone? And for the first time ever, the "need help" people topped the "leave me alone" group and did it by a lot (60-40)
Posted by Quatre Pot
Member since Jan 2015
1690 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 7:53 am to
We are a full 2-3 generations removed from a capitalist free enterprise system
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
13621 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:35 am to
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Look at how many tub of lard Americans are waddling around? Because we have to maximize profits by selling garbage food with corn syrup, etc.



You can’t blame capitalism for your obesity just as you can’t blame a speeding ticket on the fact that the car can go faster than the speed limit.


Capitalism is a framework to allow financial freedom . It works for those that can be disciplined. Freedom is a double edged sword afterall.
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Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
48708 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:36 am to
Capitalism isn’t the problem. Wide open, full-fledged democracy is. This country was never intended to be this democratic. It was a limited Republic at the outset.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282536 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:37 am to
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ou can’t blame capitalism for your obesity


Most Americans are averse to critical thinking. They choose the less logical option.

I suppose they hope food rationing and long lines will fix their obesity.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
48708 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:39 am to
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That's simply a euphemistic way of saying, creating distinct winners and losers, and class stratification and warfare.



This has existed throughout human history with or without capitalism.

Human beings are not equal and never will be. The option is whether we implement a system that recognizes these differences or a system that artificially tries to manufactures obstacles to it. The former has created the greatest increase in quality of life in human history; the latter has created more death and misery than any other time in human history.
This post was edited on 10/18/22 at 8:45 am
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:43 am to
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you can’t blame a speeding ticket on the fact that the car can go faster than the speed limit.


I always wonder about that when I get a new car.
hmmm. 160 eh?
autobahn calls me.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:45 am to
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What’s wrong with having winners/losers, and different classes?


You mean you don't think that the lazy piece of shite on govt assistance who sleeps til noon should have exactly the same success as a guy who wakes up at 4:00 in the morning 6 days a week to bust his arse ?
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