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re: Are there actually independents who and moderates who cross party lines?

Posted on 2/16/20 at 11:31 pm to
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36755 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 11:31 pm to
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You are wrong, it’s “you’re” which is a contraction of “you are”, As opposed to what you wrote twice.

Fixed it for you. Commas go inside closing quotation marks.
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You are wrong, it’s “you’re” which is a contraction of “you are,” as opposed to what you wrote twice.

Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14944 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 11:34 pm to
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Congratulations, I didn’t know it was possible to stutter in a post but you did it.

What are you talking about loser? Go away. You are a waste of time.
Posted by Pisco
Mayfield, Kentucky
Member since Dec 2019
4443 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 11:46 pm to
In Kentucky, there are far more registered Dems than Republicans, but we're as conservative as it gets. Only our Governor is a Dem in terms of top office. Republican Supermajority in both houses. It’s all about the candidate.

I’ve been a Democrat since I was 18 and I feel no need to switch parties. I’ve never voted a straight ticket in my life. I voted Gore in 2000 but I was more liberal back then.

I always will vote for who I want. I tend to vote Republican in the big races and sometimes I vote Dem in state or local races.
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
90063 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:31 am to
The class warfare, pandering and fear mongering are driving centrists to either not vote or vote trump because of the economy

Just like a lot of moderate Republicans didn’t vote in 2012 because we felt it was hopeless
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14944 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:39 am to
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The majority of independents and moderates I know are all socially liberal and fiscally conservative.
True. So why would they vote for Trump?
Posted by memphisplaya
Member since Jan 2009
87208 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:42 am to
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I vote Dem in state or local races.


Working out great for your neighbor to the East.
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
90063 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:43 am to
Sky high Economy and so much winning

Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14944 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:58 am to
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Sky high Economy and so much winning

The shy high economy is at the expense of trillion dollar deficits.

Of course a tax cut in an already expanding economy is going to produce a short term boost to the economy.

Tell me, what happened to Trump's campaign talk about infrastructure. We got an ill-timed tax cut instead.

You call that winning?

Posted by ScrapPack
Member since Nov 2011
3707 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 1:05 am to
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14944 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 1:43 am to
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I think you’d be surprised. The democratic party has changed a lot in a very short amount of time.

Do you think that change was, to a marked degree, a response to the change of the Republican Party into the Party of Trump?
Posted by 225bred
COYS
Member since Jun 2011
21019 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:32 am to
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 4:37 am to
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Tell me, what happened to Trump's campaign talk about infrastructure. We got an ill-timed tax cut instead.



You fricking dumbshit, Trump has been wanting to do something on infrastructure for years and the democrats are terrified of giving him a "win" so they do nothing.

As for the deficits, whatever the delta is comes from obama letting the military rot for 8 years. If you perform no upkeep on your house for 8 years then sell it the next guy is going to have "deficits" fixing what you did not do.
Posted by FightnBobLafollette
Member since Oct 2017
12204 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 4:55 am to
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Trump has been wanting to do something on infrastructure for years


And he had both houses early on. Nothing was done.

He is supposed to know how to make deals.
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terrified of giving him a "win" so they do nothin


That is laughable.
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As for the deficits, whatever the delta is comes from obama letting the military rot for 8 years.


That didn’t happen. It is asinine to pretend this.
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you perform no upkeep on your house for 8 years then sell it the next guy is going to have "deficits" fixing what you did not do.



600 billion is no upkeep.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 6:33 am to
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socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

I've never understood how a small government conservative could be anything but socially liberal.

I would vote for anyone standing up and pointing out how absurd it is to be running a huge budget deficit and lowering Fed rates during a period of economic expansion. Unfortunately, I don't see anyone running who is actually concerned about the federal government strangling economic growth in the future through its irresponsible fiscal policies.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14944 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 8:00 am to
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Trump has been wanting to do something on infrastructure for years
That is straight bullshite. Never happened. Link?
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As for the deficits, whatever the delta is comes from obama letting the military rot for 8 years.
Try again. The defense budget was increased substantially while Obama was president.
Posted by SEC. 593
Chicago
Member since Aug 2012
4400 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 8:19 am to
I'm one.

Socially to the left, and fiscally more to the right. I seem to put more weight on social issues, as those affect my life more directly.

I voted for GWB & Obama. Didn't vote in the last election as I was out of the country.
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 8:26 am
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
23542 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 11:48 am to
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The majority of independents and moderates I know are all socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

I think second amendment, abortion, marijuana legalization and gay marriage is where you separate the ultra right vs the ultra left. At least for the most part.

For the record, I'm still a registered Dem. I vote how I want, not how any party or group wants me to.

Second amendment is and always will be the deciding factor, I'm pro there. I WILL vote against gun control advocates, no matter what else.

I morally oppose abortion, but think early term pro choice is not an awful position... but that's like first couple weeks. Late term is shocking to me that anyone could consider or allow it. My opinion over the years has swung from Pro Choice legally, to tending to be Pro Life, because they have pushed it way too far. I'm a guy, my initial stance was "I'm not the pregnant person, it isn't my call".

Marijuana, to me, is a non-issue. I think the anti-plant regulations are way overdone, hemp can be a useful tool and medical should be allowed. I'm not really sympathetic to people who just want to get high.

Gay marriage, again, not overly concerned about. I do have some sympathy regarding long-term partners, I'd think if 2 people live together a long time and one dies or whatever, the other one should get some form of property protection (just like normal marriages).

When I registered decades ago, none of these, including gun rights, was in play. It was more that the Republicans were leaning Religious Right, and there were hints of mandated morality in their platform; as a kid that bothered me. I didn't need the law to regulate my morality or beliefs.

I'm generally always going to oppose any side wanting to take away any rights. They're in office to run the business end of politics, not to dictate what I may or may not be allowed to do.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53536 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:07 pm to
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I used to be pretty hardcore lefty on many issues. I’d mostly vote Dem, but often I’d vote 3rd party. Rarely did I ever vote GOP.

I used to be pretty far right. As I've gotten a little older I've found myself more of a moderate on social issues.

I'm still solidly right on fiscal issues. I vote for Republicans though. The modern Democratic party is bat shite insane. The blue dog Dems are a thing of the past.
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
78352 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:09 pm to
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As I've gotten a little older I've found myself more of a moderate on social issues.


Rightfully so. There’s more gray than black and white when it comes to issues.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53536 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:14 pm to
I just want to pay as little taxes as possible and to be left alone now Paul
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