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Are public school uniforms unconstitutional?
Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:17 pm
Could it be deemed unconstitutional for a public school, which is a entity of the state, to force kids to wear certain clothes that they may not like wearing?
IMO Uniforms in schools keep kids from expressing their individuality. They lower the morale of the kids, which hampers their education by making them hate school that much more.
I think it's better to allow kids to wear their own styles and show their own individuality. Of course, a simple dress code would be fine to keep the dress within reason, but kids at public schools who can't choose what school to attend due to districts shouldn't be forced to dress the same.
Private schools of course are ok for uniforms, since it is a choice to go there and it is a private business.
IMO Uniforms in schools keep kids from expressing their individuality. They lower the morale of the kids, which hampers their education by making them hate school that much more.
I think it's better to allow kids to wear their own styles and show their own individuality. Of course, a simple dress code would be fine to keep the dress within reason, but kids at public schools who can't choose what school to attend due to districts shouldn't be forced to dress the same.
Private schools of course are ok for uniforms, since it is a choice to go there and it is a private business.
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Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:18 pm to deltaland
I support public school uniforms in the precincts where the culture is despicable.
This post was edited on 2/7/14 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:20 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I didn't wear uniforms until high school, then I attended a catholic high school so obviously I wore uniforms. I much preferred having the uniform to wear.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:26 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I support public school uniforms in the precincts where the culture is despicable.
I don't. It's just the state trying to parent kids. Let them learn on their own what society accepts and what it does not..forcing a uniform on them "to look proper" will just cause rebellion
Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:31 pm to deltaland
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I don't. It's just the state trying to parent kids. Let them learn on their own what society accepts and what it does not..forcing a uniform on them "to look proper" will just cause rebellion
Put me down as someone who doesn't think having to conform to dress standards is a negative thing.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:32 pm to deltaland
quote:I think this has been challenged before under the 1st amendment and/or 14 amendment and falls under rational basis scrutiny. That is, the state must only prove that the dress policy is rationally related to a legitimate governmental interest to justify its implementation. Very low hurdle for the state and they usually win.
Could it be deemed unconstitutional for a public school, which is a entity of the state, to force kids to wear certain clothes that they may not like wearing?
The state will contend that the implementation of the dress code is for safety reasons or to minimize disruptions, teasing, bullying, theft, gangs, etc so that more focus is on education.
ETA: I have one child in public school with no uniform requirement and one child in private school with uniforms. Personally I prefer the uniforms. Very easy to shop for back to school and no drama involved in the morning when picking out clothes, except when my 6th grader wants to wear uniform shorts when its 20 degrees outside.
This post was edited on 2/7/14 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:34 pm to deltaland
The problem is that the districts that have dress codes aren't the ones that need them more often than not.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:36 pm to deltaland
Don't have an opinion but it was really convenient just throwing on the uniform and go to school instead of a hassle like picking out clothes.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:39 pm to Sentrius
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Don't have an opinion but it was really convenient just throwing on the uniform and go to school instead of a hassle like picking out clothes.
The hassle of picking out clothes is greatly exaggerated.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:48 pm to Sentrius
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but it was really convenient just throwing on the uniform and go to school instead of a hassle like picking out clothes.
I went to a private school that didn't have uniforms. I never thought it was a hassle to pick out what I was going to wear...boots, jeans, button down shirt, belt. Took 5 minutes
I just think it's a positive thing for kids to be allowed to express themselves freely, (of course you'd have a dress code, because offensive shirts or girls dressing like sluts is distractive to others). Getting picked on for wearing something that looks awful isn't a bad thing and kids shouldn't be protected from it...it molds the person into realizing what society accepts. IF you're just told to wear a uniform you are inhibited from gaining that knowledge from your peers, imo.
It's a form of convenience for parents and teachers and a form of sheltering kids from reality. I think it's wrong, and I think this type of sheltering among many other types is why our generations are trending toward being more acceptable to letting government run our lives.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 8:13 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Or you could enforce the dress code better.
As for the OP, I agree with what was said
As for the OP, I agree with what was said
Posted on 2/7/14 at 8:26 pm to SpartyGator
The problem with enforcing the dress code is that there are areas where parents just can't afford good clothes for their kids.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 8:27 pm to Maxx99
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I think this has been challenged before under the 1st amendment and/or 14 amendment and falls under rational basis scrutiny. That is, the state must only prove that the dress policy is rationally related to a legitimate governmental interest to justify its implementation. Very low hurdle for the state and they usually win.
This stuff just drives me crazy. It's like that state saying, "well....this is technically unconstitutional but we have a really strong interest in regulating it, so we can." it basically demonstrates that the constitution is worthless.
anyway, my question is this:
what happens to a child that refuses to wear a uniform to school?
Posted on 2/7/14 at 8:31 pm to deltaland
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Let them learn on their own what society accepts and what it does not.
Yeah, that's been working out well for us.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 8:44 pm to deltaland
School uniforms are fine by me. When kids start wearing high priced shoes,clothes,etc., it tends to form cliques within school boundaries. I won't even mention gang related colors that also divide kids.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 8:53 pm to deltaland
quote:yes. anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.
Are public school uniforms unconstitutional?
Posted on 2/7/14 at 8:55 pm to Buddy Garrity
quote:What about the areas of the country where the parents cannot afford to buy their kids clothes? The school uniforms could end up being their only pair of clothing.
yes. anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 8:57 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
i don't think the constitution make exceptions for poor people.
uniforms aren't free, btw.
uniforms aren't free, btw.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:01 pm to deltaland
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Are public school uniforms unconstitutional?
Yes. I'm glad I got out of school before they made that shite mandatory.
School uniforms are a good example to kids at young age about Big Brother.
This post was edited on 2/7/14 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:17 pm to deltaland
State schools.. State rules
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