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re: Are public school uniforms unconstitutional?
Posted on 2/7/14 at 11:11 pm to MrCarton
Posted on 2/7/14 at 11:11 pm to MrCarton
It's gonna be awesome. Long story here.
About six months ago my reserve unit switched from a WPNS Co. to a Truck Co. They told me I had to find a new unit. There's no grunt units that have any boat space for a SSgt. in reasonable distance so that's what got me thinking about TACP since they have one hear in LA.
So, we've only got about 20 grunts left in the unit and we don't do shite at drill so I asked if I could maybe do some grunt training with them to keep moral up. They said go for it so I set up the training area and did the whole training plan. So I'm going off into the woods one last time with 20 Marines and 0 officers to train. I'm pretty stoked about it.
About six months ago my reserve unit switched from a WPNS Co. to a Truck Co. They told me I had to find a new unit. There's no grunt units that have any boat space for a SSgt. in reasonable distance so that's what got me thinking about TACP since they have one hear in LA.
So, we've only got about 20 grunts left in the unit and we don't do shite at drill so I asked if I could maybe do some grunt training with them to keep moral up. They said go for it so I set up the training area and did the whole training plan. So I'm going off into the woods one last time with 20 Marines and 0 officers to train. I'm pretty stoked about it.
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Posted on 2/7/14 at 11:18 pm to Sentrius
quote:Nah, that's what's so cool about the Constitution. Something doesn't fit anywhere else? Well, screw it, it's OK under the necessary and proper clause.
Problem?
Posted on 2/7/14 at 11:19 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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So I'm going off into the woods one last time with 20 Marines and 0 officers to train. I'm pretty stoked about it.
That is a wet dream for any NCO worth his goddamned paycheck! Have a blast man. I don't tell anyone in my family this, but those are my fondest memories.
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They said go for it so I set up the training area and did the whole training plan.
This will be a fine evaluation bullet, for somebody other than you
You are gonna have a blast. Did you write in civilian clothes and relaxed grooming standards as part of the training plan?
Posted on 2/7/14 at 11:21 pm to MrCarton
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Did you write in civilian clothes and relaxed grooming standards as part of the training plan?
I did not. Couldn't leave any written evidence. My boys know what's up.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 11:24 pm to Gmorgan4982
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Nah, that's what's so cool about the Constitution. Something doesn't fit anywhere else? Well, screw it, it's OK under the necessary and proper clause.
Wiki does have a good point whenever gov't uses the public interest and order card, it's basically ignoring the constitution and proves a notable Lysander spooner quote right. That card gets used way too often and should only be used for extraordinary circumstances.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 11:24 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I did not. Couldn't leave any written evidence. My boys know what's up.
This is you, right? with a cooler backpack though haha.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 11:26 pm to deltaland
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Could it be deemed unconstitutional for a public school, which is a entity of the state, to force kids to wear certain clothes that they may not like wearing?
In principle. They couldn't be forced, for instance, to wear Mormon underwear.
But the way most school uniforms are implemented is completely constitutional. Although parents have a legal obligation to have their children educated - they aren't obligated to send them to a public school.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 11:26 pm to Sentrius
quote:Right. It's a good thing that there aren't a bunch of power-hungry authoritarians that make the laws ... oh wait
That card gets used way too often and should only be used for extraordinary circumstances.
This post was edited on 2/7/14 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 2/7/14 at 11:29 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Although parents have a legal obligation to have their children educated - they aren't obligated to send them to a public school.
wow.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 11:31 pm to MrCarton
That's not me. I wouldn't be caught dead with those shitty shades. RayBan aviators are the only way to go.
Mirrored of course. Just to make it sporting for the bad guys.
Mirrored of course. Just to make it sporting for the bad guys.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 11:32 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 2/7/14 at 11:40 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Although parents have a legal obligation to have their children educated - they aren't obligated to send them to a public school.
What about poor people who can't afford anything but public school? Why should those kids be forced to wear something against their will?
I understand that it is deemed constitutional. My point is should it be unconstitutional? I don't think the Government should dictate that a child, who has no choice where or if to go to school, what they wear while at school.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 11:43 pm to deltaland
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What about poor people who can't afford anything but public school? Why should those kids be forced to wear something against their will?
We're all forced to wear something against our will. Try walking outside without any clothes on, see how far you get.
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I don't think the Government should dictate that a child, who has no choice where or if to go to school, what they wear while at school.
Based on your absurd logic, it should be unconstitutional for a school to discipline a child for repeatedly speaking out of turn in class.
This post was edited on 2/7/14 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 2/7/14 at 11:46 pm to deltaland
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What about poor people who can't afford anything but public school? Why should those kids be forced to wear something against their will?
I understand that it is deemed constitutional. My point is should it be unconstitutional? I don't think the Government should dictate that a child, who has no choice where or if to go to school, what they wear while at school.
You are passing through the gates of superficial thoughts and into the realm of second and third order consequences. These are often overlooked by those of the statist persuasion. I recommend immediate disengagement.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 11:51 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Based on your absurd logic, it should be unconstitutional for a school to discipline a child for repeatedly speaking out of turn in class.
You can't really think this is the issue being debated.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 1:17 am to deltaland
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IMO Uniforms in schools keep kids from expressing their individuality. They lower the morale of the kids, which hampers their education by making them hate school that much more.
I think it's better to allow kids to wear their own styles and show their own individuality
I used to agree...and then I had kids who were forced to wear uniforms. Loved it.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 1:30 am to deltaland
Students in schools are not granted full rights as normal adult citizens in these cases. In the case of the environment, the school can simply claim safety as a way to eschew this ever being an issue.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 7:12 am to MrCarton
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Based on your absurd logic, it should be unconstitutional for a school to discipline a child for repeatedly speaking out of turn in class.
You can't really think this is the issue being debated.
You can't really think its constitutional for teachers to force children not to speak and unconstitutional for them to force children to wear uniforms. That wouldn't be a consistent position.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 7:17 am to deltaland
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IMO Uniforms in schools keep kids from expressing their individuality.
They go to school for an education, not to "express their individuality".
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They lower the morale of the kids
I believe the opposite is true. By removing the fashion competition that occurs at schools without uniforms, students are better able to concentrate at the task at hand. It also generally saves the parents money.
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, which hampers their education by making them hate school that much more.
If the point is to make them love school let's just cut the school day to 1 hour.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 7:21 am to deltaland
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I went to a private school that didn't have uniforms. I never thought it was a hassle to pick out what I was going to wear...boots, jeans, button down shirt, belt. Took 5 minutes
5 min for you and I. For girls this is an hour or more process.
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