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re: Are drivers licenses an example of government overreach?
Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:22 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:22 pm to 4cubbies
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If laws kept society safe, our prison population wouldn’t be so robust.
Laws are designed with consequence to uphold our societal paradigms. Laws aren’t some magic fairy dust to change folks living outside those paradigms.
I don’t take a dump on my boss’s desk, not because I’m not supposed to take a dump on my boss’s desk, but because I would get fired if I took a dump on my boss’s desk.
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:25 pm to MemphisGuy
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I have little empathy for folks who knowingly break the law and end up in prison.
I have even less faith in the government to prosecute crimes honestly or with integrity.
quote:i have a fundamentally different view of the purpose prisonof is supposed to serve. American prisons in their current state violate the 8th amendmen imo.
What, if any, laws are you okay with? What do you think actually deserves prison time... Murder.... that's a given (I hope). What else?
This post was edited on 6/11/25 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:27 pm to 4cubbies
You too. Appreciate it.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:30 pm to 4cubbies
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I’m not making an argument for gun restrictions. I’m making an argument for fewer restrictions period.
Then say that & quit using hyperbole. Explain yourself without trying to be cute. You'd be taken more seriously.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:30 pm to 4cubbies
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i have a fundamentally different view of the purpose prisonof is supposed to serve. American prisons in their current state violate the 8th amendmen imo.
Can you elaborate?
Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:30 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
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I don’t take a dump on my boss’s desk, not because I’m not supposed to take a dump on my boss’s desk, but because I would get fired if I took a dump on my boss’s desk.
Seriously?
Fear of getting in trouble only stops me from speeding. That’s the only law I genuinely want to break regularly. maybe I’m exceptional? I’ve always assumed I was fairly typical but maybe most people are itching to break laws and societal norms but are too afraid of getting in trouble to do it.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:34 pm to 4cubbies
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American prisons in their current state violate the 8th amendment imo.
Um... I'll bite. How so?
Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:38 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
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Can you elaborate?
I’d love to. I’ve done extensive research on the history of many aspects of our penal system, including incarceration. My views generally align more closely with the founders of our country, especially in terms of bail.
Prison does and should separate dangerous people from society. However, while an individual is in the care, custody and control of the government after exhibiting antisocial behavior, the government has a societal responsibility to treat the individual the same way hospitals treat injured patients. I view recidivism as a failure of the government to rehabilitate
Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:39 pm to MemphisGuy
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How so?
They exclusively traumatize the people they house.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:41 pm to scottydoesntknow
Simmer down Scotty... I was having fun, this board isn't real life. 
Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:44 pm to 4cubbies
But you’re insinuating laws should cater to a weakened society rather than uphold a better one. Your logic is make pedophilia legal and the pedophiles will all be healed, instead of hey don’t diddle kids or you’re going to the slammer. Make drugs legal and society will somehow be better because drug addiction will either disappear or prosper openly.
Extreme examples, but your honor system isn’t plausible. Humans learn consequence through negative reinforcement.
Extreme examples, but your honor system isn’t plausible. Humans learn consequence through negative reinforcement.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:58 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
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I mean, you’re talking about a sizable chunk of revenue and budget. Either government programs suffer or taxes increase
Then that's what the government should do. It should tax at the rate that is required to do its job. The government didn't invent targeted Taxation and fees by accident. It's a way to Take Your Eye Off the Ball
For example they will constantly tell you how we all need to pay taxes to pay for our roads and bridges and other things that the government must do. But then they invent specific taxes for those things such that the general fund becomes more and more available as one giant fricking slush fund.
But people fall for the targeted tax bullshite every time. Oh look we're going to raise one penny for education. One penny for law enforcement. One penny for fire. Before you know it you look up and say what the frick? We have individual taxes to fund all the obvious shite the government must do. And that's all before they hit us up for income and sales taxes!
Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:58 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
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But you’re insinuating laws should cater to a weakened society rather than uphold a better one.
I’m saying that laws only exist to punish people. America doesn’t care about creating safe societies. We continuously disinvest in things we know provide societal benefits and continuously invest in things we know produce more antisocial citizens (prison in its current form, for example).
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Your logic is make pedophilia legal and the pedophiles will all be healed, instead of hey don’t diddle kids or you’re going to the slammer. Make drugs legal and society will somehow be better because drug addiction will either disappear or prosper openly.
My logic is instead of throwing someone in a cage with psychopaths and walking away for months, years, or decades; We should make a good faith attempt to rehabilitate them and reintroduce them into society as better people, not smarter offenders.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:59 pm to 4cubbies
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However, while an individual is in the care, custody and control of the government after exhibiting antisocial behavior, the government has a societal responsibility to treat the individual the same way hospitals treat injured patients.
Most states have a mental facility within the penal system. Angola has one that houses probably 100 inmates. You can’t put these people in the hospital. I worked at Angola in the 90’s. What are you going to do at the hospital when a guy shits in his hands, rubs shite all of his body then Starts throwing it at you.
Hospitals can’t handle the psychopaths in DOC. You can make any emotional argument you want.
I have no problem treating these people but behind bars.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:05 pm to 4cubbies
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However, while an individual is in the care, custody and control of the government after exhibiting antisocial behavior, the government has a societal responsibility to treat the individual the same way hospitals treat injured patients. I view recidivism as a failure of the government to rehabilitate
Prisoners have access to faith, education, physical activity, role/job responsibilities, sustenance, hygiene, reintegration programs. Their conditions, in fact, are far better than many non-incarcerated. You’re overlooking individual accountability in recidivism, some folks just have no interest in rehabilitating. Steal again and sulk, poor me and my circumstances, muh reparations, rather than develop moral compass. Prison is consequence and the incarcerated isn’t injured, that’s a soft out and entitlement culture.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:06 pm to lsufan1971
I’m not suggesting literally bringing them to hospitals. I mean we need to treat them similarly to how hospitals treat patients: diagnose, create a treatment plan, implement it and monitor.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:08 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
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Prisoners have access to faith, education, physical activity, role/job responsibilities, sustenance, hygiene, reintegration programs. Their conditions, in fact, are far better than many non-incarcerated
Respectfully, what is your experience with jails and/or prisons and/or inmates (current or prior).
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:09 pm to 4cubbies
You are really showing your ignorance here. I really feel sorry for you that you want to hang on to your liberal way of thinking so badly, that you can’t even use common sense in a conversation. It’s truly sad. How can you equate gun violence with car violence? How about phone violence, or, bicycle violence? You really need to do some serious self evaluations of just what it is you are aligning yourself with.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:10 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
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poor me and my circumstances, muh reparations, rather than develop moral compass. Prison is consequence and the incarcerated isn’t injured, that’s a soft out and entitlement culture
The person raised by a crackhead who grows up selling drugs just needs to develop a moral compass in prison and stop being entitled. 10-4.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:16 pm to 4cubbies
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Respectfully, what is your experience with jails and/or prisons and/or inmates (current or prior).
Proudly never set foot in a jail/prison and my only inmate experience is I’m FB friends with someone who got busted selling steroids.
I don’t find it all that hard to obey laws and understand how to contribute to society without stabbing it or robbing its car.
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