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re: Anyone who is for increased minimum wage tell me why we shouldn't jump straight to $100/hr
Posted on 1/18/21 at 1:28 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 1/18/21 at 1:28 pm to SammyTiger
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Yes I am Denying that.
Do you know anything of economics or business? Or are you reacting on feelings? Because what we are telling you is fact. When you artificially increase wages, you artificially increase the prices of goods and services. The price of labor is factored into the price of goods/services. You do understand this, right?
Secondly, unless you are a socialist/communist, then i don't understand how anyone can believe that any human will continue to work hard if the incentive of pay is eliminated. Meaning, the $15/hr asst. manager, who has more responsibilities than teh stock boy, will not stay the asst. manager if the stock boy is paid the same as him. If you want real time proof, take a look at California's minimum wage and what it did to those jobs? Many have fled. One brewpub i know of, in particular, had to move to Colorado because they couldn't afford to stay open and pay their employees in California.
Also, $15/hr in California is not hte same as $15/hr in Louisiana. There should NEVER be a blanket federal minimum wage, because COGS are different all over the country.
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I am pointing out why some people may want to be lower management even if they’re isn’t a significant raise.
Humans will not take on more responsibility or increase tehir work output if there is no incentive to do so. This is the EXACT reason communism has failed everywhere it was tried. Because the human element was ignored. That humans, want to be rewarded for their work. Greater output - meaning, your ability to make your workplace more profitable, = greater monetary compensation. However, if you eliminate that by basically demoting everyone other than minimum wage earners, you lose productivity, efficiency, and as i explained earlier, you increase COGS.
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Posted on 1/18/21 at 1:30 pm to BugAC
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COGS
Bruh you can’t be throwing acronyms out at this kid. He doesn’t understand standard words, yet less acronyms
Posted on 1/18/21 at 1:33 pm to beerJeep
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Yes you do. The answer is zero. There are no full time minimum wage jobs. They don’t exist past a trial/training period.
How do you know that?
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Plenty if the market dictates it.
So how many? You just gonna ignore the question?
Answer in a number.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 1:33 pm to SammyTiger
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SammyTiger
Another thing, lets look at it from the construction industry. Wages are paid based on the appropriate skill level and availability of skilled labor. If one can get paid the same amount to flip burgers as opposed to being a grunt laborer on a job site, then you will see a labor shortage. So what will the industry do? Raise wages to attract labor. And, in Construction, there are multiple levels of wages based on your skill, so you can't pay an unskilled laborer the same as a carpenter. You will have to raise wages across the board. With that, comes increased construction costs, which means increased contract sizes, which means, for federal/state projects, increased taxes needed to fund these projects. Not to mention the increased costs of goods/services for all ancillary services that feed construction. This is an economic nightmare waiting to happen.
You're lack of experience in the real world shows in this thread.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 1:34 pm to SammyTiger
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How do you know that?
Minimum wage = payment to those with the minimum skills for that job allowable. Why would an employer tolerate a position where the job title requires them to never improve?
Posted on 1/18/21 at 1:37 pm to SammyTiger
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How do you know that?
Because the sonic in fricking woodville Mississippi starts out above min fricking wage.
Tiny arse bumfrick town with ONE fast food joint pays above min wage.
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So how many? You just gonna ignore the question? Answer in a number.
I did answer your question
Posted on 1/18/21 at 1:38 pm to bstew3006
What jobs pay minimum wage today?
If you start out as an apprentice you make slightly more than this joining my trade but you also have to go to trade schools at night. When you are elevated to journeyman you get a fat jump.
If you get your masters license you doing well and getting paid.
People sacrifice to reap reward.
Unskilled labor jobs with no pathway to improve your situation are not meant to sustain a family. I worked three jobs when I was younger it’s what it took and it didn’t kill me but when my situation in my trade improved I dropped the filler jobs.
People have been doing this since they came into this country.
If you start out as an apprentice you make slightly more than this joining my trade but you also have to go to trade schools at night. When you are elevated to journeyman you get a fat jump.
If you get your masters license you doing well and getting paid.
People sacrifice to reap reward.
Unskilled labor jobs with no pathway to improve your situation are not meant to sustain a family. I worked three jobs when I was younger it’s what it took and it didn’t kill me but when my situation in my trade improved I dropped the filler jobs.
People have been doing this since they came into this country.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 1:38 pm to BugAC
If you did your job for 15/he and the janitor started making 15/he would you wanna fricking scrub toilets anymore than you did before?
Chances are you aren’t doing something really challenging. You’re still only Making 15k. That’s not a lot of money.
But you’re saying people will gladly give up their job to do a shittier job.
Money isn’t the only incentive.
Chances are you aren’t doing something really challenging. You’re still only Making 15k. That’s not a lot of money.
But you’re saying people will gladly give up their job to do a shittier job.
Money isn’t the only incentive.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 1:39 pm to beerJeep
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I did answer your question
Manager in a number otherwise you’re just chucking anecdotal bulls hit.
I don’t care what sonic pays.
Is that every job in the country?
Follow up question: if I’m saying 15/he is the minimum why does it matter if a lot of people make 8/hr? Or 9/hr?
This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 1/18/21 at 1:39 pm to SammyTiger
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Money isn’t the only incentive.
It’s the only one If you want a competent worker and the job done right
Posted on 1/18/21 at 1:40 pm to SammyTiger
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Manager in a number otherwise you’re just chucking anecdotal bulls hit.
Okay. More than 1.
The number of full time minimum wage jobs is less than 1.
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Is that every job in the country?
Name one full time min wage job. You can do it lil guy. I believe in you. Use that powerful google machine
Posted on 1/18/21 at 1:41 pm to SammyTiger
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Yes you do. The answer is zero. There are no full time minimum wage jobs. They don’t exist past a trial/training period.
How do you know that?
2018 Minimum Wage Demographics
-About 5% of part time workers make minimum wage, only 1% of full time workers make minimum wage
-About 1% of workers over 25yrs old make minimum wage
Posted on 1/18/21 at 1:42 pm to beerJeep
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It’s the only one If you want a competent worker and the job done right
So you’re saying the most expnensive service is always the best.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 1:43 pm to SammyTiger
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you’re saying the most expnensive service is always the best.
No. I’m saying that money is the best driving force behind obtaining competent workers.
Nothing else comes close.
For example. Why do foreign doctors come to practice in America? They can get the feeling of saving lives anywhere. They can live comfortably anywhere relative to the average person. So, what drives them to come to America?
This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 1/18/21 at 1:53 pm to beerJeep
Money is a the best driver but not the only one.
Some people are willing to make less money if they like the job better. In this hypothetical we aren’t even talking about less money.
Like I said, if you were working a lower end management job and the janitor started making as much as you, are you going to want to leave your desk job to go clean up shite?
Janitors probably don’t have much stress but their job kinda sucks.
Some people are willing to make less money if they like the job better. In this hypothetical we aren’t even talking about less money.
Like I said, if you were working a lower end management job and the janitor started making as much as you, are you going to want to leave your desk job to go clean up shite?
Janitors probably don’t have much stress but their job kinda sucks.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 1:53 pm to SammyTiger
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If you did your job for 15/he and the janitor started making 15/he would you wanna fricking scrub toilets anymore than you did before?
I would demand higher pay, seeing as my skill level and experience demands i make more than a minimum wage earner, who has no skills, so he is left with only cleaning toilets. It is systematically unfair to pay those with no skills, the same as those who have worked longer, worked harder, and bettered themselves to acquire the knowledge to advance in their field. What makes you think that someone who has not "achieved" for themselves, should make as much as those that have?
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But you’re saying people will gladly give up their job to do a shittier job.
No, i'm saying those with skills will demand higher pay. Some may do a "shittier" job, because they don't want the stress of responsibilities. Hell, then entire leftist model is based on the avoidance of personal responsibility.
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Money isn’t the only incentive.
In the working world, money is a primary incentive. If you aren't valued for your work, you will often seek employment where someone does value your output.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 1:55 pm to SammyTiger
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Like I said, if you were working a lower end management job and the janitor started making as much as you, are you going to want to leave your desk job to go clean up shite?
What responsibilities does the janitor have? Clean the toilets/floors. What responsibilities does management have? Schedules, payroll, maintenance, quality of product, etc... At the end of the day, the janitor isn't stressed about what decisions he'll have to make tomorrow.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 1:56 pm to BugAC
If you have real skills you are probably making more than 15k an hour.
Working your way up to asst. manager doesn’t make you indispensable.
We’re taking about the difference between the guy flipping burgers and the guy yelling at the guy flipping burgers.
We’re not even talking about the managers.
Working your way up to asst. manager doesn’t make you indispensable.
We’re taking about the difference between the guy flipping burgers and the guy yelling at the guy flipping burgers.
We’re not even talking about the managers.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 1:56 pm to SammyTiger
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Some people are willing to make less money if they like the job better. In this hypothetical we aren’t even talking about less money.
You do realize a mandated increase in min wage leads to a direct decrease in ACTUAL PURCHASING POWER of min wage workers right?
Do you know what that means?
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Like I said, if you were working a lower end management job and the janitor started making as much as you, are you going to want to leave your desk job to go clean up shite?
No. I’m going to demand I get a raise equal in percentage to the raise the janitor got. If not, my “give a shite” level goes right down to zero.
Bye bye productivity!
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Janitors probably don’t have much stress but their job kinda sucks.
I’d rather be a janitor and get to smoke weed at $15 an hour than be a floor manager with actual responsibility making $15
Posted on 1/18/21 at 1:58 pm to SammyTiger
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We’re taking about the difference between the guy flipping burgers and the guy yelling at the guy flipping burgers.
We’re not even talking about the managers.
Que?
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