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Anyone been to China and want to comment on this video?
Posted on 1/6/19 at 10:37 am
Posted on 1/6/19 at 10:37 am
It’s a 10 minute video of a westerner talking about the problem of morals in China.
There is a Huge MORAL CRISIS in China
There is a Huge MORAL CRISIS in China
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Posted on 1/6/19 at 10:39 am to Jimbeaux
Why should anyone have morals? What's the non-complicated, non-religious argument for having morals?
I dont fear a hellish afterlife, why should I care what happens to other people?
I dont fear a hellish afterlife, why should I care what happens to other people?
This post was edited on 1/6/19 at 10:49 am
Posted on 1/6/19 at 10:42 am to Jimbeaux
that guy posts great videos
Posted on 1/6/19 at 10:42 am to Jimbeaux
Posted on 1/6/19 at 10:45 am to Jimbeaux
Been there many times over the years for business. I used to negotiate contracts with manufacturers, sometimes dealing with sensitive intellectual property.
I'll leave it with this:
The Chinese are the lyingest, thievingest, non scrupulous humans in existence.
I'll leave it with this:
The Chinese are the lyingest, thievingest, non scrupulous humans in existence.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 10:51 am to tiggerthetooth
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I dont fear a hellish afterlife, why should I care what happens to other people?
If you only act right because you fear a hellish afterlife, that is not really morality......
Posted on 1/6/19 at 10:54 am to bamarep
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The Chinese are the lyingest, thievingest, non scrupulous humans in existence.
i don't even think they deny it
i used to make very detailed assumptions about people at poker tables and picking up accents/languages of Asians was very important, because their psychologies were always very different. Chinese players are the most arrogant and slimiest of all poker players. they will run angles on you all day long and they love tricking white people more than anything
they're not even mean or boisterous about it. it's just who they are. they're always working an angle/scheme of some sort
Posted on 1/6/19 at 10:59 am to Jimbeaux
quote:Yes.
Anyone been to China and want to comment on this video?
It is very much an under thumb society. Totalitarianism leaves everyday individuals very self-protective and unwilling to call others out. They never know if the person being called out might have threatening political connections
Posted on 1/6/19 at 11:02 am to tiggerthetooth
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What's the non-complicated, non-religious argument for having morals?
Surely, even from a non religious perspective, you must see that good morals would be benificial to a society right?
Posted on 1/6/19 at 11:04 am to tiggerthetooth
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I dont fear a hellish afterlife, why should I care what happens to other people?
Do you care what others might to to you?
Posted on 1/6/19 at 11:05 am to Jimbeaux
It’s absolutely correct. Communism produces “ low trust “ societies. Personal virtue, particularly intervening on behalf of someone, is unbelievably risky. Vietnam is the same way. And of course North Korea is on another level completely.
I was in China in November and I have a Chinese SIL. Life is very arbitrary there. By the way, having watched all that guy’s video, it’s a minor miracle he’s still alive. I recommend his videos highly.
Also I’ve lived in Japan, am married to a Vietnamese woman, just came back from three weeks in Thailand- I obviously love the rhythm of life and culture in Asia . I will probably retire there. But Confucian/ Buddhist cultures come at things differently than Western Christianity. I’ve thought about these differences for years. I could talk all day about them. There is something great about the way people interact in Asian cultures. That said, give me our ideas on personal morality all day long. Silence in the face of cruelty and injustice is the norm in China and elsewhere. And at the same time another guy might walk three miles to bring you some fruit. That’s why Westerners used the word “inscrutable “ to describe these cultures.
I was in China in November and I have a Chinese SIL. Life is very arbitrary there. By the way, having watched all that guy’s video, it’s a minor miracle he’s still alive. I recommend his videos highly.
Also I’ve lived in Japan, am married to a Vietnamese woman, just came back from three weeks in Thailand- I obviously love the rhythm of life and culture in Asia . I will probably retire there. But Confucian/ Buddhist cultures come at things differently than Western Christianity. I’ve thought about these differences for years. I could talk all day about them. There is something great about the way people interact in Asian cultures. That said, give me our ideas on personal morality all day long. Silence in the face of cruelty and injustice is the norm in China and elsewhere. And at the same time another guy might walk three miles to bring you some fruit. That’s why Westerners used the word “inscrutable “ to describe these cultures.
This post was edited on 1/6/19 at 11:07 am
Posted on 1/6/19 at 11:07 am to Revelator
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even from a non religious perspective, you must see that good morals would be benificial to a society right?
I have read atheists who argue that It is not whether God exists but whether the world is a better place because people believe God exists, and they conclude that it is.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 11:08 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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If you only act right because you fear a hellish afterlife, that is not really morality......
Why should I act in the way you want though? You say its "right ", what if it's just survival of the fittest? The dumb and gullible lose and the clever win. Why should I care what happens to people I'll never meet?
Posted on 1/6/19 at 11:08 am to tiggerthetooth
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Anyone been to China and want to comment on this video? Why should anyone have morals? What's the nnon-compicated, non-religious argument for having morals? I dont fear a hellish afterlife, why should I care what happens to other people?
Don't be fooled! Wisdom and knowledge begin with the fear of the Almighty! A civil society requires more people than not to adhere to the morals that God put forth for man to live by. You want to see real hell on earth? Allow man to live by man's moral code and you'll see the world's misery index rise 100 fold...., history is a window into the brutality of man's sin nature. Even today, look around, evil is welcomed and embraced by too many people.
Man's moral code is based in man's desire to exploit and control other men, to live a debauched and wicked lifestyle that's not to be questioned by others who see the destructive consequences. Man is evil. Man will always take advantage of other men to satisfy their unquenchable thirst for power. Without a merciful God and a higher calling you, me and everyone else are marching towards perdition.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 11:11 am to tiggerthetooth
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Why should anyone have morals?
That's a question with which every individual must challenge himself/herself.
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What's the non-complicated, non-religious argument for having morals?
Because morality has an intrinsic value to society and civilization. Not self-righteousness mind you, but actual, sincere, virtuous morality.
The opposite, amorality, is a clear path to doom. For the individual. For that individual's family, community and, ultimately, society.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 11:11 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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quote: I dont fear a hellish afterlife, why should I care what happens to other people?
If you only act right because you fear a hellish afterlife, that is not really morality......
I urge you to grab a bible, start in the New Testament, read with an open mind and heart the Sermon on the Mount and see if it clears up some of your confusion.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 11:12 am to bamarep
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I'll leave it with this:
The Chinese are the lyingest, thievingest, non scrupulous humans in existence.
They are dirty af.
The craziest part is that they can convince themselves that their scandalous nature is honorable. Those frickers can justify anything to themselves.
I hate people that can't be objective.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 11:12 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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If you only act right because you fear a hellish afterlife, that is not really morality...… that is not really morality
uh, something tells me you've never looked up the definition to the word 'morals'
methinks you are confusing it with ethics
Morals is simply conforming to a standard of behavior. Keywords: conforming to. Someone has to set those standards, in order for you to buy into them. Even the mafia had an accepted standard of behavior (or morals) for their group
Fearing your creator's response to your behavior, is the standard on which just morality is built. If you have no fear of repercussions, then you have no morals. Otherwise, its simply "Do what feels good" at that point
Posted on 1/6/19 at 11:14 am to Ace Midnight
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Because morality has an intrinsic value to society and civilization.
How do you explain intrinsic value to a non-religious 100% physical and scientific society? What exactly is physically defined as "intrinsic value"?
Posted on 1/6/19 at 11:14 am to bamarep
I also add that I dealt with the Taiwanese for many years also. Taiwanese are of the Mandarin Chinese clan as well.
Totally night and day difference in dealing with them vs the mainland Chinese. The people inn Taiwan absolutely LOVED Americans. There were many nights I'd go walk about the cities and come back to the hotel fat and shite faced without having spent a dime.
I love Taiwan.
Totally night and day difference in dealing with them vs the mainland Chinese. The people inn Taiwan absolutely LOVED Americans. There were many nights I'd go walk about the cities and come back to the hotel fat and shite faced without having spent a dime.
I love Taiwan.
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