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Posted on 1/6/19 at 12:32 pm to Jimbeaux
Is this not already in play in the U.S.??
Posted on 1/6/19 at 12:37 pm to tiggerthetooth
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why should I care what happens to other people?
Are you a sociopath or psychopath?
You seem to fit the definition of the former at least.
Stay the hell out of my neighborhood.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 12:49 pm to Jimbeaux
I watch these guys channels all the time. ADVchina is their joint channel. Best news or on the ground understanding of China you can get on the internet.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 12:57 pm to Jimbeaux
I disagree with the guy in a couple of regards. One is that the morality is moving the wrong direction.
My experience there and with our Chinese suppliers is that they are moving the other direction.
Communism and in the fifties and sixties did in fact drive the country's population to the absolute basics of survival. Things have moved a LONG way since then. China is not Nigeria or Somolia or some place like that.
The difference the last three or four decades have made comes from the change in the communist attitude of private property. If you own things you want government to protect those things. That is the very basic function of government. Now that is possible to own your business and to own property things are moving toward more orderly basic government function.
Environmental laws are good example. In the last three years prior to this economic slow down the government was almost brutal in their crack down on new environmental laws. Managers of polluting plants were jailed. Now their standards are still not ours but environmental standards are a big issue there now and were not even 5 years ago.
One consequence of more IP protection will be more protection for Chinese companies. As their own technology becomes protected private property we will see more worldwide Chinese brands and Chinese technology. They will compete with us not only in manufacturing but in technology development.
There are some "moral" issues some will say that they have better positions on than us. For example, you will virtually starve if you do not work in China. There is no sitting around on welfare for years and getting by. Also their government has a lot more user fees than does ours---I walked through a park in Shanghai and had to pay to get in. Car tags in Shanghai are about $12000---that is how they build city roads and things. Freeways are toll roads and things like that. Punishments for crimes there are brutal.
You sort of have to be in the communist party to get anywhere so the party is not this communist ideology center it once was. There are a LOT of CINOs much like RINOs here.
You have to play hardball with them when you do business. There are a number of reasons for this. Their history and their experiences world wide as a big reason. They will do business anywhere and as a consequence their experiences include dealings with shady dealers in Africa and the Asia countries as much or more than than with Americans.
It is their country. I really don't care how they do things with other people any more than I care how the Columbians do things with other people when I buy a cup of coffee. I have my expectations and if they don't oblige that so be it. I'll do business somewhere else.
My experience there and with our Chinese suppliers is that they are moving the other direction.
Communism and in the fifties and sixties did in fact drive the country's population to the absolute basics of survival. Things have moved a LONG way since then. China is not Nigeria or Somolia or some place like that.
The difference the last three or four decades have made comes from the change in the communist attitude of private property. If you own things you want government to protect those things. That is the very basic function of government. Now that is possible to own your business and to own property things are moving toward more orderly basic government function.
Environmental laws are good example. In the last three years prior to this economic slow down the government was almost brutal in their crack down on new environmental laws. Managers of polluting plants were jailed. Now their standards are still not ours but environmental standards are a big issue there now and were not even 5 years ago.
One consequence of more IP protection will be more protection for Chinese companies. As their own technology becomes protected private property we will see more worldwide Chinese brands and Chinese technology. They will compete with us not only in manufacturing but in technology development.
There are some "moral" issues some will say that they have better positions on than us. For example, you will virtually starve if you do not work in China. There is no sitting around on welfare for years and getting by. Also their government has a lot more user fees than does ours---I walked through a park in Shanghai and had to pay to get in. Car tags in Shanghai are about $12000---that is how they build city roads and things. Freeways are toll roads and things like that. Punishments for crimes there are brutal.
You sort of have to be in the communist party to get anywhere so the party is not this communist ideology center it once was. There are a LOT of CINOs much like RINOs here.
You have to play hardball with them when you do business. There are a number of reasons for this. Their history and their experiences world wide as a big reason. They will do business anywhere and as a consequence their experiences include dealings with shady dealers in Africa and the Asia countries as much or more than than with Americans.
It is their country. I really don't care how they do things with other people any more than I care how the Columbians do things with other people when I buy a cup of coffee. I have my expectations and if they don't oblige that so be it. I'll do business somewhere else.
This post was edited on 1/6/19 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Chinese players are the most arrogant and slimiest of all poker players. they will run angles on you all day long and they love tricking white people more than anything
Ah you caught on roundeye
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:05 pm to I B Freeman
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You have to play hardball with them when you do business. There are a number of reasons for this. Their history and their experiences world wide as a big reason. They will do business anywhere and as a consequence their experiences include dealers with shady dealers in Africa and the Asia countries as much or more than than with Americans.
It is their country. I really don't care how they do things with other people any more than I care how the Columbians do things with other people when I buy a cup of coffee. I have my expectations and if they don't oblige that so be it. I'll do business somewhere else.
And muh tariffs in a nut shell.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:09 pm to Jimbeaux
Lived in Beijing for 3 years. What he said is 100% accurate.
I’ll give you an extremely fricked up story that I witnessed 3 days before leaving China for good and definitely made me say “good riddance” to China. I was at the largest outdoor mall in Beijing. This couple about 15 feet away from me were walking in the middle of about say 200 people. They had a 3 or 4 year old in front of them crying. The father then proceeds to kick the shite out of the kid, to the point that the kid hits the ground. The mother then starts screaming and slapping the father when he again kicks the kid when he’s down. He then picked the kid up by the hair and shoved him forward.
The reaction from the crowd was just shockingly horrible. The Chinese people around me stopped for maybe half a second and then kept on walking around them. There were 3 security guards within 100 feet of them, but they did nothing. There was one other Westerner around me, and the two of us locked eyes in horror.
And here’s the worst part and something we both knew: if I went and confronted/assaulted that piece of shite dad, the Chinese around me would react to that. They would then proceed to confront me and violently beat the hell out of me, because I The Westerner am the enemy, not the violent child abuser. If that had happened in the middle of a crowded mall in America or Europe, that piece of shite would have had his teeth kicked down his throat by 15 people and security guards. Instead in China the guy who acts heroically, and therefore out of line, is the one that pays. It’s one of the most disgusting things I’ve ever witnessed, and another few dozen instances from the Chinese doing to ostrich approach to anything horrible going on around them comes to mind.
I’ll give you an extremely fricked up story that I witnessed 3 days before leaving China for good and definitely made me say “good riddance” to China. I was at the largest outdoor mall in Beijing. This couple about 15 feet away from me were walking in the middle of about say 200 people. They had a 3 or 4 year old in front of them crying. The father then proceeds to kick the shite out of the kid, to the point that the kid hits the ground. The mother then starts screaming and slapping the father when he again kicks the kid when he’s down. He then picked the kid up by the hair and shoved him forward.
The reaction from the crowd was just shockingly horrible. The Chinese people around me stopped for maybe half a second and then kept on walking around them. There were 3 security guards within 100 feet of them, but they did nothing. There was one other Westerner around me, and the two of us locked eyes in horror.
And here’s the worst part and something we both knew: if I went and confronted/assaulted that piece of shite dad, the Chinese around me would react to that. They would then proceed to confront me and violently beat the hell out of me, because I The Westerner am the enemy, not the violent child abuser. If that had happened in the middle of a crowded mall in America or Europe, that piece of shite would have had his teeth kicked down his throat by 15 people and security guards. Instead in China the guy who acts heroically, and therefore out of line, is the one that pays. It’s one of the most disgusting things I’ve ever witnessed, and another few dozen instances from the Chinese doing to ostrich approach to anything horrible going on around them comes to mind.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:11 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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If you only act right because you fear a hellish afterlife, that is not really morality.....
That's true, however a punishment or bad result isn't necessarily the reason someone does or doesn't do something. For instance; my state has the death penalty, however, fear of the death penalty isn't what keeps me from murdering someone. Its the knowledge of right vs. wrong.
Said another way; I feed my dog because its the right thing to do and I love him. Not because I'm afraid of animal control or him starving.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:15 pm to tiggerthetooth
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tiggerthetooth
Easy words to mutter behind the anonymity of the Internet.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:15 pm to Jimbeaux
I’ve been to China and I don’t want to comment
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they will run angles on you all day long and they love tricking white people more than anything
they're not even mean or boisterous about it. it's just who they are. they're always working an angle/scheme of some sort
We honestly need more Asians in this country. JMHO
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:22 pm to OMLandshark
The cultural differences are huge as they are in any non western country. I don't like squat toilets for example. The arabs are worse IMHO. I don't like certain cultures in the US too.
I feel no responsibility to change any of those other countries BUT I know the western culture's respect for private property and the Judaeo Christian practices predominant in western society are superior and should be guarded and protected.
I feel no responsibility to change any of those other countries BUT I know the western culture's respect for private property and the Judaeo Christian practices predominant in western society are superior and should be guarded and protected.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:24 pm to DavidTheGnome
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I’ve been to China and I don’t want to comment
I've been twice and the biggest take away is there is no value for human life. They are tools and when one breaks throw it away and replace it.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:24 pm to Nguyener
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We honestly need more Asians in this country. JMHO
Very good work ethic and attitude about taking care of their own business.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:25 pm to Jimbeaux
Wow.
So I always had the misunderstanding that these totalitarian governments were corrupt, but that they allowed no one else to scam their people BUT THEM.
it really looks like they have no control over crooks.
Not saying we do, but I have seen a video or two of Russian and Chinese cops beating folks silly over petty crimes.
Lately I have seen some Russian gangs that resemble anarchy in the streets. I really thought the Russians would have no part of that and shite them down quick-like.
It led me to be leave that the govt is makib g cash on the corruption and that they have no control over their crooks. Just like us.
So I always had the misunderstanding that these totalitarian governments were corrupt, but that they allowed no one else to scam their people BUT THEM.
it really looks like they have no control over crooks.
Not saying we do, but I have seen a video or two of Russian and Chinese cops beating folks silly over petty crimes.
Lately I have seen some Russian gangs that resemble anarchy in the streets. I really thought the Russians would have no part of that and shite them down quick-like.
It led me to be leave that the govt is makib g cash on the corruption and that they have no control over their crooks. Just like us.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:27 pm to I B Freeman
How do you feel about Tarrifs?
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:32 pm to Nguyener
Hate them as you probably know.
They are the result of the influence of special interest on politicians.
For example, the steel tariffs costing American citizens billions are the result of the US steel industries influence inside the administration. The Chinese tariffs are for the benefit of US companies seeking to sell into China and those seeking to build plants in China--a relatively small number of companies but very large companies like Boeing. They are about IP protection in China and they are about forced financial partnerships. These things are outline in the 301 directive and are simply fact.
They are the result of the influence of special interest on politicians.
For example, the steel tariffs costing American citizens billions are the result of the US steel industries influence inside the administration. The Chinese tariffs are for the benefit of US companies seeking to sell into China and those seeking to build plants in China--a relatively small number of companies but very large companies like Boeing. They are about IP protection in China and they are about forced financial partnerships. These things are outline in the 301 directive and are simply fact.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:33 pm to I B Freeman
IP Freely where you been lately?
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:36 pm to tiggerthetooth
Might makes right...
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