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re: Any coincidence “experts” are now calling for states to slow down the pace of 2nd vax shot
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:50 am to NIH
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:50 am to NIH
Probably because the first didn't work or because these vaccinations are using the mass public as their test subjects?
Very interesting. Enjoy: LINK
Very interesting. Enjoy: LINK
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:54 am to Nosevens
Bingo.
Unless you are in an extremely high risk group (elderly, cancer survivor, etc), the need for the shot is lower because the chances of side effects approach the same chances of getting complications from catching COVID without it.
Unless you are in an extremely high risk group (elderly, cancer survivor, etc), the need for the shot is lower because the chances of side effects approach the same chances of getting complications from catching COVID without it.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:55 am to the808bass
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They were told to do this from the beginning of the availability of the vaccine. The CDC ignored it.
Understandably so. The CDC is strained for resources while they try to find a vaccine for racism.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:59 am to NIH
There's more to it below the surface mate, and I would actually argue the opposite. This debate has been going on for several months. Fauci was a big proponent of prioritizing doing the 2 doses in succession but he was proven wrong bigly... again. Other pro-lockdown "expert" pricks like Hotez in Houston were wrong on this as well.
The UK pushed for the method being proposed in this article from the beginning, and they have been very successful. Their cases have fallen off a cliff, and they have done much better than similar neighboring countries like Germany. They might be at herd immunity now.
The logic is basically that the mRNA vaccines are already probably around 80% effective on the first dose, IOW on par with the JnJ if not better. So you can get to herd immunity faster by pushing it out to more of the population via one dose and get much of the benefit at the population level. Then you do the booster shot a bit later, maybe months later.
The people arguing for this range from those that are likely left-leaning to people like Marty Makary who the left hates.
The UK pushed for the method being proposed in this article from the beginning, and they have been very successful. Their cases have fallen off a cliff, and they have done much better than similar neighboring countries like Germany. They might be at herd immunity now.
The logic is basically that the mRNA vaccines are already probably around 80% effective on the first dose, IOW on par with the JnJ if not better. So you can get to herd immunity faster by pushing it out to more of the population via one dose and get much of the benefit at the population level. Then you do the booster shot a bit later, maybe months later.
The people arguing for this range from those that are likely left-leaning to people like Marty Makary who the left hates.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:02 am to ShoeBang
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This is what happens when you listen to computer nerds with an inferiority complex who suddenly decide they are medical experts.
This is what happens when the country is leaderless. Biden or whoever has their hand in his back isn't going to say anything about it.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:04 am to Lou Pai
I’m not debating the effectiveness
My concern is our government and media moving the goalposts (again)
My concern is our government and media moving the goalposts (again)
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:13 am to Wildcat1996
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to increase the rate of delivery of the first in order to accelerate vaccinations, not slow them.
lulz, that you actually accept that. We are months into the vaccine and no longer in short supply, but NOW you justify this bullshite. Just like you bought into the "no need to wear a mask" edict, because there was a shortage of PPE. So we had an entire nation multiplying the spread of the virus because our overlords wanted to protect supply lines, right?
Youre a sheep. A lamb being led to the slaughter. Congrats on the blood clots
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:20 am to RobbBobb
The sad reality here is that political propaganda took the lead over science.
Masks were never an option for/against Covid and the statistics prove emphatically that the science which stated "Size Matters" with regard to the Covid virus - as published in the New England Journal of Medicine and the CDC compared the size of the virus itself to the effectiveness of masks. Masks were not at all effective toward negating the Covid Virus transmission because of the size of the virus.
There has been so much mis/disinformation regarding this virus.
The absolute worse thing is that we have not learned our lesson. ALL Western nations should have, or should be, cutting off all trade and end all ties to/with Communist China. Promote "Made in America" again.
This is corrupt politics at its finest using an Endemic as its pretext...
Here very informative: LINK
Masks were never an option for/against Covid and the statistics prove emphatically that the science which stated "Size Matters" with regard to the Covid virus - as published in the New England Journal of Medicine and the CDC compared the size of the virus itself to the effectiveness of masks. Masks were not at all effective toward negating the Covid Virus transmission because of the size of the virus.
There has been so much mis/disinformation regarding this virus.
The absolute worse thing is that we have not learned our lesson. ALL Western nations should have, or should be, cutting off all trade and end all ties to/with Communist China. Promote "Made in America" again.
This is corrupt politics at its finest using an Endemic as its pretext...
Here very informative: LINK
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 9:28 am
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:27 am to cito
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Some want to slow down the pace of the 2nd shot to allow for more people to get the first dose. That would allow more people to be vaccinated.
Where is it still difficult to schedule a vaccination time?
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:44 am to Padme
not if we start to hang them
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:17 am to Lawyered
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We have far more supply than demand .
Pharmacies are begging folks to get it here.
And yes, i've seen actual texts from pharmacy owners begging business owners to set up shot clinics at offices. They can't give this shite away fast enough. Can't miss out on those big gov't payments!
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:17 am to NIH
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:23 am to NIH
You gotta be shitting me, Joker!
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 10:25 am
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:37 am to Big Scrub TX
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Yes, it is a coincidence.
LINK
That only makes sense if people are getting turned away from getting the first dose because grandma needs her second and the younger first dose seekers are standing in her way.
That is NOT what is happening from what I can tell. I can get a shot this afternoon from any of a half dozen places within a few miles of my home and the chances are I wouldn't even have to wait in a line.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:50 am to SOKAL
quote:That is in your state. It hasn't reached that point everywhere.
That is NOT what is happening from what I can tell. I can get a shot this afternoon from any of a half dozen places within a few miles of my home and the chances are I wouldn't even have to wait in a line.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:55 am to Wildcat1996
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They want to delay second shot to increase the rate of delivery of the first in order to accelerate vaccinations, not slow them.
Reasonable antibody titres are achieved with a single dose.
Well, that just can't be true. The illiterate OP said so.
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I don't think you read the article.
He didn't, and neither did any of the other antivaxxers. Strannix made a goddamn fool of himself yesterday doing the same thing.
There are some really fricking stupid people here.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 11:09 am to Lou Pai
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The UK pushed for the method being proposed in this article from the beginning, and they have been very successful.
UK made this call with no data to support the decision. It was an off-the-cuff "best guess" type of thing. The mRNA vaccines were trialed in a 2 dose regimen spaced either 3 or 4 weeks apart. There is ZERO data to say how effective these vaccines will be if you space the doses out by months. Most experts believe it will be OK, but there is no hard data to back that claim. This is why the U.S. has resisted the UK plan even though some prominent U.S. virologists have endorsed it.
Second, there is no need to do it in the first place. There is no shortage of vaccine here like there might have been in the UK. If anything we have way too much vaccine here. There is no need to stop people from getting their second shot.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 11:59 am to Big Scrub TX
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That is in your state. It hasn't reached that point everywhere.
Maybe other states should elect sane people who don't sit around wondering if the best way to disperse the vaccine is by race.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 12:02 pm to Evolved Simian
I’m not anti-vax, queer. I’ve already had the first Moderna shot.
My point is a.) our media and gov apparatus are creating a false crisis (where is it impossible to get a first shot because of second shots?) b.) the second they slow down second shots the new goalposts will be “well we can’t let up because not enough people have their second shots to fight against Muh variants”
My point is a.) our media and gov apparatus are creating a false crisis (where is it impossible to get a first shot because of second shots?) b.) the second they slow down second shots the new goalposts will be “well we can’t let up because not enough people have their second shots to fight against Muh variants”
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 4/13/21 at 6:44 pm to AUstar
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UK made this call with no data to support the decision. It was an off-the-cuff "best guess" type of thing. The mRNA vaccines were trialed in a 2 dose regimen spaced either 3 or 4 weeks apart. There is ZERO data to say how effective these vaccines will be if you space the doses out by months.
There is data and research suggesting the efficacy on the first dose for mRNA. It parallels that of the JnJ vaccine. There is therefore no reason to worry about what the effectiveness of delaying the second dosage if the priority is to get as many people vaccinated as possible. There really isn't any downside, and certainly no health risk, to delaying the dosage.
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Second, there is no need to do it in the first place. There is no shortage of vaccine here like there might have been in the UK. If anything we have way too much vaccine here. There is no need to stop people from getting their second shot.
This isn't really true. States have prioritized by age group and pre-existing health conditions. Seniors have been able to get second doses well in advance of the vaccine being open to the broader public. This is why the UK has about half their population vaccinated while we have substantially less than that.
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 6:45 pm
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