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re: Another Point of View on Abortion
Posted on 5/5/22 at 11:13 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 5/5/22 at 11:13 am to AggieHank86
quote:We have a trigger law. If Roe is overturned, abortion is illegal in Mississippi. Again, policy questions are moot.
State legislatures don’t address policy questions where you live?
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Posted on 5/5/22 at 11:19 am to wareaglepete
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I don't know. Why don't you tell me what any of that jibber jabber you posted has to do with killing a baby?
Maybe I can try to figure it out. I got in an accident, and maybe it was me running into someone else's car. I go get my broke leg worked on at the hospital.
This compared with a female having some guy trip and fall and land on her with his unit entering her and getting her pregant. Hey, accidents happen, right? But then the solution is to kill a baby. How is that related?
Posted on 5/5/22 at 11:22 am to TygerTyger
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For me it has a lot to do with the unanswered question "when does life begin?".
What the frick??? You think an unborn baby is not alive?
Whoever told you this nonsense is a Moron and you are in question because you believed that it is SCIENCE that it is possible to kill something that isn't alive.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 11:46 am to AggieHank86
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What is the precedent for the notion that the state can force a woman to serve as a biolgical incubator for an organism that she does not wish to incubate?
The precedent that it is illegal to kill human organisms? What do I win?
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:03 pm to CrimeStoppers
Nobody here needed the haphazard lesson on biology.
You hiding behind gestation is hilarious. It's some arbitrary qualifier you had to add to your argument so the slower posters among us don't immediately disregard your take.
You hiding behind gestation is hilarious. It's some arbitrary qualifier you had to add to your argument so the slower posters among us don't immediately disregard your take.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:33 pm to TygerTyger
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It's certainly a different way to consider the issue.
The position in that post or whatever it is in the image in OP is eerily verbatim what I said yesterday is the Molechite position. I'll pull it up.
Eta: I don't want to link it bc it's the Meme thread and don't want to further hijack a great thread. But here's part of the discussion:
Other poster:
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The people who would say that clump of cells that just attached to the uterine wall is NOT life, would jump for you shouting "we found life" if those same cells were found on Mars.
Me:
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Yeah, I think the argument is, it's life but it isn't a human person yet. Of course that's a red herring (eta: begs question etc).
I've decided the whole "when does human life and personhood begin?" question is mostly irrelevant to Abortionists. It's just another statist-positivistic policy determination when you don't have a higher law.
This post was edited on 5/5/22 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:44 pm to TygerTyger
"NOBODY has the right to use your body, against your will,
even to save their life, or the life of another person."
I guess the logical extension of the bodily autonomy argument is that I'm not obligated to pay taxes from income I earned using MY body which are then used to provide basic necessities, student debt relief, medical care, etc. Let's carry this a step further. Why should we allow those dependent on anyone for their survival to live? That means if your 1-year old requires you to sacrifice any part of your health or possessions in order to stay alive...well, you can just put them out of your misery. Parents depending on you for care? Screw them too. That preteen that won't clean up her room? Throw her sorry arse out on the street to the wolves.
You know full damned well this has nothing to do with bodily autonomy. Period. It has to do with the fact that two people make a decision to engage in behavior with known consequences and then don't want to deal with the consequences. Rape, incest, and other behaviors leading to unwanted children are criminal for good reason, and may constitute exceptions, but these instances resulting in pregnancy are relatively rare, and should not be the norm.
even to save their life, or the life of another person."
I guess the logical extension of the bodily autonomy argument is that I'm not obligated to pay taxes from income I earned using MY body which are then used to provide basic necessities, student debt relief, medical care, etc. Let's carry this a step further. Why should we allow those dependent on anyone for their survival to live? That means if your 1-year old requires you to sacrifice any part of your health or possessions in order to stay alive...well, you can just put them out of your misery. Parents depending on you for care? Screw them too. That preteen that won't clean up her room? Throw her sorry arse out on the street to the wolves.
You know full damned well this has nothing to do with bodily autonomy. Period. It has to do with the fact that two people make a decision to engage in behavior with known consequences and then don't want to deal with the consequences. Rape, incest, and other behaviors leading to unwanted children are criminal for good reason, and may constitute exceptions, but these instances resulting in pregnancy are relatively rare, and should not be the norm.
This post was edited on 5/5/22 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 5/5/22 at 12:54 pm to TygerTyger
You cant say that "when life begins is irrelevant", then follow by saying you cant infringe on a woman's bodily autonomy. If you accept life begins at conception, what about the infant's bodily autonomy?
Posted on 5/5/22 at 1:21 pm to TygerTyger
In the USA, you can lawfully be forced to go to war and kill other people, and to be killed. This is 100% acceptable.
You can lawfully be forced to take vaccines; you can be imprisoned (for months, and without being guilty of a crime); you can be forced to work against your will. You can be institutionalized and forced to ingest medicines. You can have all decision-making powers removed. The law allows ALL of this.
The idea that "bodily autonomy" is a sacred, infinite right, proclaimed from on high, is ludicrous. It isn't codified in our laws (at least not in this manner). The argument, aside from being lazy, is logically and factually incorrect.
You can lawfully be forced to take vaccines; you can be imprisoned (for months, and without being guilty of a crime); you can be forced to work against your will. You can be institutionalized and forced to ingest medicines. You can have all decision-making powers removed. The law allows ALL of this.
The idea that "bodily autonomy" is a sacred, infinite right, proclaimed from on high, is ludicrous. It isn't codified in our laws (at least not in this manner). The argument, aside from being lazy, is logically and factually incorrect.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 3:12 pm to subotic
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You hiding behind gestation is hilarious. It's some arbitrary qualifier ...
Uh, no. It's not an arbitrary qualifier. Nine months is the gestation period for the human species. Each species has its own gestational period.
It literally destroys the argument that fetuses have bodily autonomy, on its face, because they literally do not.
This post was edited on 5/5/22 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 5/5/22 at 4:21 pm to TygerTyger
it boils down to 2 things
1) ok to kill baby
2) not ok to kill baby
remember this is the hill they have decided to die on
1) ok to kill baby
2) not ok to kill baby
remember this is the hill they have decided to die on
Posted on 5/5/22 at 4:58 pm to TygerTyger
One thing, maybe the only thing in this world that I am absolutley sure of is that she will get to have that conversation with God in person
And that last forever as opposed to the brief moment in time that we are living in this world
And that last forever as opposed to the brief moment in time that we are living in this world
Posted on 5/5/22 at 5:20 pm to TygerTyger
quote:
It's certainly a different way to consider the issue.
What's your thoughts?
It is in the same vein as the violinist thought experiment.
quote:
You wake up in the morning and find yourself back to back in bed with an unconscious violinist. A famous unconscious violinist. He has been found to have a fatal kidney ailment, and the Society of Music Lovers has canvassed all the available medical records and found that you alone have the right blood type to help. They have therefore kidnapped you, and last night the violinist's circulatory system was plugged into yours, so that your kidneys can be used to extract poisons from his blood as well as your own. If he is unplugged from you now, he will die; but in nine months he will have recovered from his ailment, and can safely be unplugged from you.
Most people would say you are justified in unplugging yourself from the violinist. The argument goes that since you would be justified in unplugging yourself from the violinist, so too would a woman be justified in "unplugging" themselves from their child.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 5:23 pm to TygerTyger
A woman makes a choice to get pregnant. Doing nothing to prevent pregnancy is the same as choosing to conceive. Once conception takes place the baby is a living human being. Abortion is murder.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 5:26 pm to TygerTyger
quote:It isnt 1850. It has been clearly answered, fertilization.
the unanswered question "when does life begin?"
Posted on 5/5/22 at 7:38 pm to TygerTyger
Show me where that is the equivalent of taking a life?
This is dumb AF
This is dumb AF
Posted on 5/5/22 at 7:44 pm to the_truman_shitshow
You are exactly right. There are 2 world views being represented- Biblical vs secular humanism.
There will never be agreement between these camps.
There will never be agreement between these camps.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:16 pm to Telos
quote:
quote: You wake up in the morning and find yourself back to back in bed with an unconscious violinist. A famous unconscious violinist. He has been found to have a fatal kidney ailment, and the Society of Music Lovers has canvassed all the available medical records and found that you alone have the right blood type to help. They have therefore kidnapped you, and last night the violinist's circulatory system was plugged into yours, so that your kidneys can be used to extract poisons from his blood as well as your own. If he is unplugged from you now, he will die; but in nine months he will have recovered from his ailment, and can safely be unplugged from you. Most people would say you are justified in unplugging yourself from the violinist. The argument goes that since you would be justified in unplugging yourself from the violinist, so too would a woman be justified in "unplugging" themselves from their child.
This analogy only works for the tiny minority of abortions of pregnancies resulting from rape.
The vast majority of abortions are for pregnancies resulting from consensual sex, so the analogy would need to be changed to you invited the violinist over, invited them into your bed, hooked up your circulatory systems and went to sleep, then woke up in the morning SHOCKED that procedure you had voluntarily participated in the night before worked and now the violinist was dependent upon you for survival.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:18 pm to TygerTyger
I'm Anti abortion, but mostly liberal count would get them as opposed to conservatives. The less liberal cunts in the world the better the world will be.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:32 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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No one is forcing her to pick up a fetus over in the corner and jam it into her womb and carry it for 9 months.
On the other hand, had the parents never had sex then this young life never would have existed. One might argue "hey, at least the fetus got a month or two of life in the womb. better than nothing". :)
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