re: An Appeal For "Traditional Conservatives" to reconsider Populism.

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Populism isn't why this constitutional republic is on the precipice of collapse

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Correct. You literally have people who have no clue as to how the USA was even funded let alone that Populism was throughout the USA history prior to FDR.

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They just have a different view of what America becomes.

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Yes, a return to the USA roots. You hated the founding fathers don't you. Hate America prior to FDR.

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Yes, a return to the USA roots.

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That isn't what you want. That's what you pretend you want, while supporting a big government liberal elite from New York.

lol where have the conservatives been all this time?

You gave the government the go ahead to spy on all of us.


I guess conservatism descends jnto socialism and totalitarianism since that’s where we went with bush then Obama

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The underlying set of principles is America First. We want what is best for the average American worker.

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You don't, though.

I get that you think you do, but you don't.

Because populism is too short sighted and reactionary. For example...

Trump's monkeying around with tariffs "to protect the Little Guy" cost US farmers an estimated $27 Billion in lost production just between 2018 and 2019 alone.

Tax Foundation: How Tariffs Are Killing Agriculture

And, the Chinese (of course) raised/imposed their own retaliatory tariffs against us, as high as 25% in some cases. Which is one of the drivers of the high food costs we're seeing now (read the article I linked to).

AND, Trump responded to the farmers losing all that money by increasing subsidies to them, which came at taxpayer expense.

So Trump, by "helping the Little Guy," with that one little action, actually stuck it to said Little Guy in three different ways:

1. Affected the farmers directly with lost production
2. Paid for the lost production with your money, causing the debt to increase even more
3. Caused food prices to increase

There was only one other POTUS candidate espousing tariffs in 2016. fricking self-described Democratic Socialist Bernie Sanders. Which should tell you something about the advisability of the policy.

Now, every bit of those unintended consequences were 100% predictable. They were more than predictable, they were predicted.

By everyone but those two...the two biggest populists in the race.

The thing you guys have got to come to terms with is that embracing leftist policies ALWAYS has unintended consequences. The populists on the left have been selling the stuff to their side (always, always, always in the name of helping "the Little Guy," just like you're parroting today) for at least 100 years and the only thing that has kept it in some kind of check is opposition from those who knew better, A.K.A. conservatives.

Increasing government regulation = leftist policy
Tariffs = leftist policy
Isolationist foreign policy = leftist policy
Increasing interference in free market/freedom of private business = leftist policies

The problem is that y'all act like you are unaware that EVERY TIME any of that stuff has been enacted, negative unintended consequences occur. Not sometimes. Not rarely. Not occasionally. Not mostly. Not frequently.

EVERY. TIME.

So either y'all do not know much about history or you somehow think it will be different if it's Trump who pushes a leftist policy.

Either way, you are blind to the guarantee of negative consequences. It's like y'all are incapable of thinking to yourself, "Let's see, if we do X, Y is certain to occur as a result." You just shout slogans like "Muh 'Merca First!" and think one move at a time.

This is why not everyone needs to vote. This is why "returning the power to the people" is a really horrible idea. In order to have any positive influence on the state of affairs, you've got to be able to think multiple moves ahead. Or you at least need to be willing to follow the principles established by those before you who have already been around this block several times and thought these things through already.

But you populists ostensibly cannot do the first and will not do the second.

This is not meant to insult anyone, although I understand that it will. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I truly believe this is the truth. You populists frankly are not smart/sophisticated/educated enough to influence the country positively. It's either that or you're not willing to. You're falling for the same bullshite that I saw blue collar Carter-era Democrats fall for during the 70s. Same rhetoric, same policies, and those policies will have the same results.

Why you don't know that/can't see that I have no explanation for. Maybe some of you are too young to remember it, but I know that many of you are.

Either way, this is why "establishment elites" who understand that interfering with free market tendencies re: tariffs will ALWAYS end up leading to undesirable market results are the ones who need to be running things.

Sure, corporatism exists. But again, you don't have to abandon conservative principles to push back on that.

Your post was a very well-written but unfortunate example of why traditional conservatives probably won’t have to worry about being a factor any time soon in whichever direction the country goes.

- Most of what DC Republicans have been doing has been working just fine. Ultimately, they know better.

-MAGA voters are too ignorant to realize it.

-It’s unfortunate that many voters get to vote.

This is a pretty good example why the parade has passed on by traditional conservatives.

I hope conservatives will eventually find a national voice that can better attract voters instead of the underlying tones of “the problem isn’t us, it’s you”.

Finally, even though I’m sorry to see it directed at Trump supporters/MAGA, it is somewhat interesting to see backbone and fight finally emerge from traditional conservatives again. A lot of us have been wondering where that’s been in all these post Reagan years.

Your example is total BS. People would love to go back to what the prices of produce and groceries in general under Trump.

You are just like Roger. Evidently ( based on you views posted) the USA has never been conservative.

Your views on populism are horribly outdated.

Study the elections in Europe - todays populists are farmers, business owners, graduate students, etc. It's more about race and culture now than you're giving it credit for. You're acting like we're Huey Long supporters looking for handouts

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You are just like Roger. Evidently ( based on you views posted) the USA has never been conservative.

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It is his own words.

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Stop being a pussy.

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I see we've found the Ben Shapiro simp who takes the stupid "God King" moniker given to Jeremy Boring quite literally.