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re: American Bar Association Scraps LSAT
Posted on 11/18/22 at 3:08 pm to TomBuchanan
Posted on 11/18/22 at 3:08 pm to TomBuchanan
I completely disagree with her reasoning, but Abraham Lincoln never took the LSAT. It's not exactly a necessary gauge of being able to navigate or understand the law.
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Posted on 11/18/22 at 3:11 pm to Oates Mustache
The issue with the person in the OP story is that she couldn't score high enough to be admitted to any law school. I'd argue that people like that probably aren't cut out to be lawyers.
If you want to argue that the test doesn't necessarily predict who will be a more successful lawyer between someone who scores a 165 and someone who scores a 173, OK. But if you can't even pull off a low 130s score, you have bigger problems.
If you want to argue that the test doesn't necessarily predict who will be a more successful lawyer between someone who scores a 165 and someone who scores a 173, OK. But if you can't even pull off a low 130s score, you have bigger problems.
Posted on 11/18/22 at 3:11 pm to TomBuchanan
This will disproportionately harm poor students that are smart but don’t have time for extracurricular activities during college as they are more likely to have jobs. Plus, standardized tests even the field between different universities.
Posted on 11/18/22 at 3:12 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
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The LSAT has 3 sections - a logic games, analytical reasoning and writing sample - all three of which are necessary skills to successfully get through law school.
Pretty sure there were 4 sections: logic games, analytical reasoning, reading comprehension, and writing section
Posted on 11/18/22 at 3:14 pm to SlickRickerz
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Well 2020-2021, most law schools waived LSAT scores because of COVID, so maybe the 2 years of nation wide data, they concluded the test are worthless and doesn’t affect your ability to learn law. As these COVID students are graduating and taking the Bar, they are probably seeing that the LSAT didn’t have any affect on their Bar passage rates.
Yeah, that's gotta be it. It's definitely not that DEI type students are having trouble scoring high on the test
Posted on 11/18/22 at 3:14 pm to TomBuchanan
Apparently taking the Bar exam in LA is a complete joke, especially after covid. So now these morons can have the only real barrier removed?
You know how much this is going to frick up the legal system?
You know how much this is going to frick up the legal system?
Posted on 11/18/22 at 3:17 pm to Mo Jeaux
My point is that before modern times, people could study certain fields like law and still be very successful.
Medicine? I agree fields like this need to be carefully controlled. But law?
Medicine? I agree fields like this need to be carefully controlled. But law?
Posted on 11/18/22 at 3:24 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:They got rid of the writing sample years ago. It wasn't weighed that heavily anyway, but I'm betting it served as a good way to find those who were actual thinkers as opposed to memorizers and test-preppers.
MCAT’s are next. Who needs competence and intelligence when you have diversity and conclusion you fricking Nazi shot lord
Posted on 11/18/22 at 3:25 pm to SlickRickerz
This post was edited on 2/9/23 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 11/18/22 at 3:30 pm to Oates Mustache
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Abraham Lincoln never took the LSAT
And he ended up getting assassinated.... or maybe you think that's just a coincidence????
Posted on 11/18/22 at 3:30 pm to NineLineBind
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What is worrisome is this can snowball to other professions. Can you imagine ditching the MCAT for med school? WTF?
Already happening for the most part.
Posted on 11/18/22 at 3:31 pm to TigerIron
I studied for the LSAT while literally sleeping on the ground in Afghanistan, came home and got a great score. Your circumstances don’t define whether or not you can learn.
Posted on 11/18/22 at 3:34 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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This post was edited on 2/9/23 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 11/18/22 at 3:38 pm to TomBuchanan
I've met a lot of lawyers who are borderline retarded. I have no idea how they passed any test. But they did make a contribution to our diversity.
Posted on 11/18/22 at 3:49 pm to TomBuchanan
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“I would hate to give up on my dream of becoming a family lawyer, just due to not being able to successfully handle this test,” Ms. Amin wrote.
Wait until she finds out how hard the Bar exam is. I can hear the "REEEE" already.
On a serious note, I went to school with some people who probably barely scored enough on the LSAT to get into law school. They should not have been there. They struggled the entire three years, and many of them never passed the bar.
At some point these schools are taking money from people who they know aren't going to pass the bar, but allow them to amass a huge amount of student loan debt to say they passed minorities. It's pretty fricked.
Posted on 11/18/22 at 3:53 pm to TomBuchanan
You get a law degree, you get a law degree, you get a law degree. Everybody gets a law degree!
Posted on 11/18/22 at 3:54 pm to TomBuchanan
Wow.
Posted on 11/18/22 at 3:59 pm to TomBuchanan
I THINK that the story is a bit different than is represented. No one is proposing that the LSAT "go away."
As I understand it, the ABA sets accreditation standards for law schools, and it currently will not accredit a school that does not require applicants to take the LSAT.
Several schools (good ones) have asked that this requirement for accreditation be removed, and the ABA is considering that request.
If the ABA does INDEED remove the LSAT as a requirement for law school accreditation, nothing would prevent any individual law school from continuing to require that applicants take the test or that applicants earn a given minimum score to gain admission.
In other words, the proposal seems just to give flexibility to schools that want flexibility.
Is that good or bad? That is an entirely different question.
What is the LSAT? Basically, it is just a logic test. I tend to think that logical thinkers make better lawyers, but that is just me.
As I understand it, the ABA sets accreditation standards for law schools, and it currently will not accredit a school that does not require applicants to take the LSAT.
Several schools (good ones) have asked that this requirement for accreditation be removed, and the ABA is considering that request.
If the ABA does INDEED remove the LSAT as a requirement for law school accreditation, nothing would prevent any individual law school from continuing to require that applicants take the test or that applicants earn a given minimum score to gain admission.
In other words, the proposal seems just to give flexibility to schools that want flexibility.
Is that good or bad? That is an entirely different question.
What is the LSAT? Basically, it is just a logic test. I tend to think that logical thinkers make better lawyers, but that is just me.
Posted on 11/18/22 at 4:01 pm to TomBuchanan
Great...now we'll have more people with 100k in debt that can't pass the bar that will be asking for a handout
Posted on 11/18/22 at 4:03 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:It looks a lot like a final exam in an advanced logic course.
I had always heard the LSAT was the closest thing to just a straight up IQ test amongst standardized tests.
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