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re: America is resetting back to normal again

Posted on 5/18/26 at 9:52 am to
Posted by Sam Quint
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 9:52 am to
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I bet there are youths on here who are experiencing their generation-defining genres and we're just too old to notice.

when i was in middle school in the mid 90s, adults sure as shite knew what grunge was, even if they didnt listen to it. it was all encompassing from 90-94ish. my super Christian parents who STILL think rock and roll is evil could probabyl have named at least a handful of bands.

now i'm in my 40s and i have kids that age, and i have no idea what their "generation defining" music is. they like songs here and there by random pop singers, but there isnt generation defining music anymore. they listen to my era music more than anything.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 9:53 am to
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Probably because we grew up in one of the golden ages of our country


That's another fun debate.

But there has been a lot of content about music in particular and what was popular v. what they remember being popular, so I went to the 90s to pull the top singles from some years:

1992

Tears in Heaven breaks the pop streak at 6, then Under the Bridge at 8....but you don't hit non-pop again until 15 (I guess) with Achy Breaky heart.

1993

Top 10 dominated by pop. #11 is Gangsta rap and then more pop.

1994

Ace of Base with 3 in the top 10

I think you have to get to 15 to get out of pop, with some Cougar Mellencmp....then more pop.

1995

I'll give Gangsta's Paradise to non-pop (although debatable), but then it's dominated by pop until Blues Traveler at 14...then more pop dominating or a while

1996

pop pop pop. Bone Thugs with Crossroads at 7, then more pop until Ironic at 13...again some rap gets sprinkled in but pop dominates

I don't have time to go back but I bet this repeats well into the 80s.

I have heard, and I haven't done the research myself, this goes into the 60s during the classic rock era.
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 9:54 am to
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People romanticize the memories, forgetting why things changed in the first place.

we KNOW why things changed. that doesnt mean we're romanticizing the memories. it really was a lot better, and we remember it being better. that's not romanticization.
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 9:56 am to
Thank you for your worthless take on this. Your contrarian attitude on most everything in life is duly noted. Go frick yourself.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 9:58 am to
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They contradict each other.


They don't. Your faulty assumption is that a generalized love of nostalgia applies equally to each bit of nostalgia being sold, which isn't true.

I covered this in a later post

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People will get a dopamine from nostalgia that will wear off quickly and then there will be no incentive to go to these places.


The individual place = an individual unit of nostalgia being sold. The dopamine hits will wear off for each individual store in time and they'll move on to another, or another unit of nostalgia in a different form.

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Just like vinyl records. That's exactly what happened with their comeback starting in the mid-2000s.

I think this is more the development of niche microcultures/areas of expertise that really exploded with podcasts in the early 2010s and kept going.

I used to have a much better description and language for this cultural phenomenon, but it's like the movement to straight razors, niche coffee making (French press to pour over), etc. Vynyl records fall into that genre of cultural expression, IMHO.
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:00 am to
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Party rap was really only one or two songs. Black Eyed Peas "I Gotta Feeling" and LMFAO - "Party Rock Anthem" Both of those are pop as hell, too. It was not a whole movement/era like he thinks it was


It’s called "Recession pop“

Basically a whole era of party music after 08 that was about taking $20 to the club and not paying rent. See Pitbull

Once millennials got old, strung out on Oxy and fent poisoned the Coke supply the era was over
This post was edited on 5/18/26 at 10:01 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:00 am to
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that doesnt mean we're romanticizing the memories.


There are other ways to describe the romanticizing outside of this particular discussion, mind you.

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it really was a lot better, and we remember it being better. that's not romanticization.


1975-1995 was basically hell on earth in America with the highest rates of basically most societal pathologies. I bet you don't see this era in this way.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:01 am to
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Your contrarian attitude


Is my take even contrarian? By pointing out Millennials' love of nostalgia and predicting this will fade?
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:02 am to
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I'll give Gangsta's Paradise to non-pop (although debatable),


Wasn’t it the theme song to a major movie?
Posted by stout
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:02 am to
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Basically a whole era of party music after 08 that was about taking $20 to the club and not paying rent. See Pitbull


I also forgot about that white dude rapping about thrift store shopping to go clubbing. Forget his name, but I know he has severe TDS now.

Still, that was not era or generationally defining, unlike other moments in music.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:03 am to
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Wasn’t it the theme song to a major movie?


Yes

That mid-90s era gets real tough with some of the "sanitized" versions of music that was clearly created for a mass audience and didn't reflect the genre, but I gave it to the "non-pop" side in most cases (Crossroads, too).
Posted by chity
Chicago, Il
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:06 am to
My favorite memories of Pizza Hut was my roommate fast walking over to a table that was just vacated by customers so he could grab as many pieces of left over pizza he could carry.

He kept an eye on the bus boys so they wouldn't get there first.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:07 am to
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Nostalgia bait fads that will pass once the novelty wears off

I know your shtick is to troll incessantly, but must you always be a wet blanket?
Posted by stout
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:08 am to
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By pointing out Millennials' love of nostalgia and predicting this will fade?



It may fade but I would like to point out how much in demand retro gaming is, Pokemon, etc and none of those have really slowed down.

Retro gaming peaked during Covid only because people were trapped in their houses, but there's still a huge demand.

I am sure there are many examples I could point to that just because it is nostalgia-driven, it doesn't mean it will fade quickly or even at all.

Hell, flea markets, thrift stores, etc have all been busy for a long time now with people looking for vintage items. Everything from home decorations to clothing. It is only getting busier too.

I think any fade in demand will be slower than you think.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70485 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:08 am to
I feel like after the financial crisis, so many big brands became so consumed with shareholder value and margins that they forgot about customers. In Baton Rouge, the guy who had the rights to all of the pizza hut franchises around here went bankrupt, in part, due to having investments in a ponzy scheme. So, all of the BR area pizza huts went out of business at the same time. What replaced them were the takeout stores.

When I was a kid, pizza hut was a special occasion food. We ate IN pizza hut after big little league games, on birthdays, etc. It was a treat. You could get AYCE on the lunch buffet, or you could get a personal pan pizza all to yourself.

When all of the pizza huts went locations disappeared, they were replaced with little strip mall kiosks that were to-go only. We never ordered from there because we could get cheaper takeout pizza elsewhere. So, for in-person pizza, we switched to Cici’s (not nearly as good) or Rotolo’s (meh vibes and much more expensive). Those places didn’t “feel” special, so pizza stopped being a special occasion food, and Pizza Hut stopped even being a real option.

The same thing happened with McDonald’s after they got rid of the play places. It wasn’t just us growing up. I have a young niece and nephew, and the options for the sorts of fun, special, child focused restaurants for us to enjoy birthdays and stuff with them are relatively few in number. We would love for them to go run around in a play place for 20 minutes. They, by and large, don’t exist anymore. Parents are expected to supervise their children or have them in planned organized activities for every waking moment of the day, but most of the legit kid-friendly spaces are all gone.

I hope businesses remember that the customer experience comes first, that kids and parents matter, that the pizza huts went restaurant experience was valuable, and that it leads them to success.

Plus, more kid-friendly spaces hopefully means the kids will all be there and not at the places my childless self would rather be without a bunch of screaming kids running around.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:10 am to
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I also forgot about that white dude rapping about thrift store shopping to go clubbing. Forget his name, but I know he has severe TDS now.


Macklemore


I used to make jokes about how rapping went from bitches and bling to thrift shopping during the Obama years.
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
8877 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:10 am to
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1975-1995 was basically hell on earth in America with the highest rates of basically most societal pathologies. I bet you don't see this era in this way.

i know, i know. you always fall back on this nonsense concept that somehow America in 2026 is vastly improved from the 70s-90s. sure man, whatever you say.
Posted by stout
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Member since Sep 2006
182385 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:13 am to
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That mid-90s era gets real tough with some of the "sanitized" versions of music that was clearly created for a mass audience



For this to be a valid point, someone would have to be counterarguing you by saying that pop never had a place. No one has said that.

The argument is that, despite pop existing, at least other decades had defining music that was able to overcome pop. That doesn't track these days. I can't even tell country from pop and we get Beyoncé chart-topping country. Hell, R&B is basically non existent vs R&B of prior decades. It got swallowed up by pop too. None of it is distinguishable really.

No one said Gangstas Paradise was era-defining. As far as rap goes, NWA was era-defining and created a genre that dominated a majority of the decade.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
117584 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:17 am to
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they love classic rock

When classic rock hit in the 60s us sophisticated students all had the opinion: 'Today's rock music is great! But the older kids thought Elvis was great and that style sucks. So, someday the next generation will think our rock music sucks, too.' Boy, were we wrong.
Posted by Tigerdew
The Garden District of Da' Parish
Member since Dec 2003
15414 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:21 am to
Holy shite.... Slow is running wild in this thread this morning. He's especially assburgery in this one. Jesus Christ.
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