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re: America is resetting back to normal again
Posted on 5/18/26 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/18/26 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
If all the miserable fricks on here had to take a vote tomorrow, you would be picked their leader in a landslide.
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 8:41 am to stout
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That sort of proves his point, where he said music used to define a whole generation
But rap has these generational distinctions.
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Tell me what genre has defined anything since the early 2000s?
In rap or in general? Because rap has had several "generations" and regional sounds.
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Rock died, rap became indistinguishable from pop and so did country as you pointed out.
But rock didn't die. You can go find new, original rock that isn't pop, but you can't do it on the radio or Sirius XM.
Same with country. Pop country has exploded, yes, but that doesn't mean there aren't much more "real" artists out there to be found/explored.
Hell, you know what's coming back? Nu metal
Also, fashion is still changing and evolving. You know what's coming back there? Baggier suits and double-breasted jackets. No longer are all jackets being tailored as if they're 2 sizes too small and looking like they're about to tear open when buttoned.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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but you won't hear them if you listen to pop-based outlets.
Sure but my point is about how music fits into the overall culture at the time. You can always find non-mainstream bands/music to fit your own personal taste. And in that regard there probably are even more choices than ever before. But I'm saying when it comes to music used in movies, tv shows, public events, etc, stuff we all hear at one point or another, its basically all the same and has been for awhile now. Nothing really feels tied to a distinct time period/era.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 8:46 am to FLTech
I wish this were true in every way.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 8:49 am to BuckeyeGoon
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Sure but my point is about how music fits into the overall culture at the time. Y
Find me an era where a version of pop didn't dominate.
It's been true since at least the 60s but I bet even further back.
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But I'm saying when it comes to music used in movies, tv shows, public events, etc, stuff we all hear at one point or another, its basically all the same and has been for awhile now.
This is usually mostly nostalgia bait like OP or the same songs that always get used that were old in the 90s/00s.
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Nothing really feels tied to a distinct time period/era.
We feel that way now because we're living in it now.
Think about how you live your life now and your daily behaviors compared to 2016 and 2006. I bet if you really thought hard they would be vastly different.
Now is there some homogenization? Yes, but that started in the 90s and really hit in the 00s, which is the timeline when your millennial demos are wanting to go back to. The last real cultural movement was what, grunge? That was dying out by the mid-90s. You have to get into boomers to really have the last generation who had that every decade cultural shift happen. They had the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s. Those people are in their mid-late 70s now, though.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 8:49 am to FLTech
CBS News is state media
Posted on 5/18/26 at 8:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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But rock didn't die. You can go find new, original rock that isn't pop, but you can't do it on the radio or Sirius XM.
Same with country. Pop country has exploded, yes, but that doesn't mean there aren't much more "real" artists out there to be found/explored.
Hell, you know what's coming back? Nu metal
You miss the point
Yes some of this stuff might "come back" in small subsets but none of it is widespread and generation/era defining and it's all closer to pop now than ever before
This post was edited on 5/18/26 at 8:55 am
Posted on 5/18/26 at 8:52 am to imjustafatkid
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Now let's bring back 24 hour Walmarts.
It was probably a coincidence, but all but one Walmart stopped 24 hour shopping in Greater New Orleans when Katrina hit in 2005. (The Kenner location stayed open 24 hours until around 2010.)
I get why the stores affected by the storm would only reopen with limited hours, as workers weren't back, but the unaffected neighboring cities had a massive influx of residents/potential employees and the stores still cut down store hours.(???) Walmart as a company must've been looking at cutting hours and jumped on the opportunity.
Then it took another disaster (COVID) to make it a permanent nation-wide.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 8:53 am to stout
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Elon Musk brings up a good point often of how human fashion used to separate whole decades but that died in the 90s, and you can hardly tell the difference in fashion from 2000 until now because any change has been slow and subtle.
chuck klosterman brings up "The slow cancellation of the future" on nearly every opportunity
It is basically the idea of that the internet has made everything vaguely retro because everyone has access to every thing that has ever been made.
There is a leftist bent on it that because money, pop culture and entertainment are so enterwined now that everything made for the masses is distilled and refined that it has no soul. There are so few avenues for people to make a comfortable living in the arts so everything is just mashup of what has worked in the past.
You can see how the theory works in Dazed and Confused, a 93 movie set in 76 that is a completely different world. Make a movie about 2009 really nothing is that differnet. The cars look about the same, iphone's are around, music isn't that different, MCU movies are popular, ect
Posted on 5/18/26 at 8:53 am to imjustafatkid
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Now let's bring back 24 hour Walmarts.
Not unless they put actual living people back on registers.
After 8PM, they close every line except for the self-check. So now, they've hiked the price on literally everything and then I have to check myself out, and then some yayhoo stops me to check my receipt to make sure I did their job properly.
The "wokeness" of Sam's progeny has ruined that franchise. Even at my local Wally World in the red beating heart of Conservative America, at least a third of the store employees are males in dresses, green-haired and facially-pierced weirdos, and circus oddities. Plus, their one asset protection worker is responsible for multiple stores so she is only there one day a week for four hours, and store management is completed emasculated on their [in]ability to enforce theft rules.
IOW, it's quite literally impossible for Walmart to go back to 24/7 until they re-open registers in the late evenings, properly train employees and then start actually punishing thieves again. I don't see them pushing that at the corporate level again. Ever.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 8:55 am to stout
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but none of it is generation/era defining
The millennials on here are pretending that their generic pop of the 00s was generation defining, when it was the same pop in basically the same form that had existed for 2 decades at that point. And that pop was just a comeback from the R&B and disco of the 70s. It's all the same cycle over and over again.
I bet there are youths on here who are experiencing their generation-defining genres and we're just too old to notice. EDM hasn't stopped creating new genres for successive generations, for example.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 8:59 am to FLTech
My burger preference has gradually moved to a local Mom & Pop restaurant. I pay a little more but their burgers are clearly more tasty. Kinda like the burger my Mom cooked for us kids. (hint: she baked her own buns)
My Mom was an amazing cook. Her vocation was hospitality. Inevitably, when a guest was visiting she would get around to asking - have you had anything to eat?
Fond memories.
My Mom was an amazing cook. Her vocation was hospitality. Inevitably, when a guest was visiting she would get around to asking - have you had anything to eat?
Fond memories.
This post was edited on 5/18/26 at 9:06 am
Posted on 5/18/26 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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But rap has these generational distinctions.
Could the average person who isnt an expert on rap music point out and place these distinctions? You dont have to be well versed in the genres to know what time periods stuff like grunge or boy bands fit in.
Sure maybe rap music does change over time but for someone who isnt into it, its hard to say "yeah this style of rap music fits into this time period" for at least the last two decades or so.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 8:59 am to Dire Wolf
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There is a leftist bent on it that because money, pop culture and entertainment are so enterwined now that everything made for the masses is distilled and refined that it has no soul. There are so few avenues for people to make a comfortable living in the arts so everything is just mashup of what has worked in the past.
You can see how the theory works in Dazed and Confused, a 93 movie set in 76 that is a completely different world. Make a movie about 2009 really nothing is that differnet. The cars look about the same, iphone's are around, music isn't that different, MCU movies are popular, ect
One underrated part of this is the impact of decreases in pathologies like real poverty and violent crime.
Societal changes come from the fringe of society and by lifting the underclass up, you get less of that change. It also combines into the homogenization of society a bit, b/c the poor can afford what were once luxury goods and there just isn't as much to separate classes anymore.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 9:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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The millennials on here are pretending that their generic pop of the 00s was generation defining, when it was the same pop in basically the same form that had existed for 2 decades at that point. And that pop was just a comeback from the R&B and disco of the 70s. It's all the same cycle over and over again.
I am making the argument against pop. Not sure what your point is here.
I think pop has no culture, and it's distinctly made for people who have been conditioned their entire lives and have zero individuality.
You bring up a good point, even if it's not what you meant, in that pop has grown and spread to every part of culture over the decades. I would bet anything that correlates with the rise in standardized education and the DoE coming into existence in the 70s
Posted on 5/18/26 at 9:04 am to BuckeyeGoon
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Could the average person who isnt an expert on rap music point out and place these distinctions?
I imagine most of that population doesn't like rap and will always default to "it all sounds the same" regardless.
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You dont have to be well versed in the genres to know what time periods stuff like grunge or boy bands fit in.
The same would apply to 80s party rap, 90s east/west coast gangsta rap, G Funk, Nola bounce stuff in the late 90s, Nu metal, then Krunk from ATL in the 00s, etc.
You'd just have to lay it all out with distinct examples. I bet if I played you one of the defining songs from each genre the differences would be clear.
Now it's mumble rap and trap and shite I probably haven't heard.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 9:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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and there just isn't as much to separate classes anymore.
Not if you are firmly middle class or lower but there is plenty of separation if you are in the top 5% to about 8%. Hell, there is a huge difference in the 1% to 5%
People went crazy Saturday for the AP/Swatch drop, all just to own something with AP's name on it, because short of that, it would cost them $52K, and that's assuming they could even get on a waiting list to obtain a Royal Oak
David Stacks posted this sarcastically but I bet it is more because he is upset that AP diminished their brand. He even said something about it in a response
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 5/18/26 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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The same would apply to 80s party rap, 90s east/west coast gangsta rap, G Funk, Nola bounce stuff in the late 90s, Nu metal, then Krunk from ATL in the 00s, etc.
You'd just have to lay it all out with distinct examples. I bet if I played you one of the defining songs from each genre the differences would be clear.
Now it's mumble rap and trap and shite I probably haven't heard.
None of it even charts these days unless it is pop. That shows how culturally irrelevant it is. The only things that chart are pop variants of each genre. That's the point we are all making.
Growing up, each of the variants you listed all dominated the charts at one time because they were widely popular and not just small subsets of society
Posted on 5/18/26 at 9:10 am to stout
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Not if you are firmly middle class or lower but there is plenty of separation if you are in the top 5% to about 8%. Hell, there is a huge difference in the 1% to 5%
it is like a golf handicap, the difference between 10 and 5 is noticable but a 10 can become a 5 and 5 can slip back to a 10.
the 5 is going to have considerably more work to do to become a 1 than a 10 will be a 5.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 9:10 am to stout
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I am making the argument against pop. Not sure what your point is here.
I'm saying pop (the version of that time) has been the dominant force for 60+ years, so it's not shocking that it's dominant today.
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I would bet anything that correlates with the rise in standardized education and the DoE coming into existence in the 70s
Here are some bands who became rock icons later playing pop in the 60s
The Rolling Stones
The Who
You can find some from other English bands of the era
The funnier shift was in the 70s and 80s when a lot of those same bands tried to make pop country of that era. The Stones/Jagger are a particularly good example of this.
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