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re: Am I a racist to think that Sterling's comments weren't that bad?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:11 am to Volvagia
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:11 am to Volvagia
In the recordings, his mistress asks him "What's wrong with minorities?" and his response was "nothing". I thought that was funny because everyone just skips over that part.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 9:15 am
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:14 am to Navytiger74
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No, but I'm confident that many of you will always find yourselves on the wrong side of these issues, which is why you pose all of these roundabout questions instead of simply dropping your sack and saying that you simply don't think racism is a big deal, or black mark on our national character, or anything especially shameful.
That's such bullshite, basically youre saying its a zero sum game and if you aren't for something then you must be against it. Are you trying to say that if someone thinks the NBA acted too harshly in a business decision then that someone must also agree with Sterlings racist views???
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:16 am to NbamaTiger90
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The dude is racist with no doubt
Yes, but that isn't the issue. This was one of the less racist things he's done.
Adam Carolla had a good take on this: Racists that act on their racism and harm others is bad. Racists that don't act on their racism should be ignored.
Sterling may be a racist but it doesn't seem that he every acted on it as it concerns the NBA. He employs the second highest paid coach in the league whose black and there haven't been any reports of him harming his players due to his mindset.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:23 am to Navytiger74
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How does one quantify if a non-violent public outcry has gone too far? I'm actually curious.
By asking the question. Mob mentality does exist and it can be dangerous. It is important for a civil society to always question if a response is appropriate to a given situation. There are countless examples throughout history where society has allowed the mob to go unchecked to the detriment of the whole.
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What would the appropriate response have been in your mind.
The appropriate response in my mind would acknowledge that this guy doesn't represent anything or anyone but himself. It is dangerous to extract from his comments some broader issue to be addressed. He made racist comments. He's a fricking idiot. It shouldn't spark any national debates or movements or make us reevaluate our societal approach to race or necessitate a response from the President of the United States.
We should think we're better than that.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:27 am to fleaux
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That's such bullshite, basically youre saying its a zero sum game and if you aren't for something then you must be against it. Are you trying to say that if someone thinks the NBA acted too harshly in a business decision then that someone must also agree with Sterlings racist views???
I actually don't agree with the punishment myself. I fully understand that he can no longer continue any kind of practical association with an organization that's ~70% black, and further understand why black players and coaches wouldn't want to be responsible for funneling profits into his pockets. But I don't get the $2.5M fine. He didn't actually "do" anything wrong as far as I can tell. He held a private conversation that was made public. There's no evidence that he treats his players discourteously as a result of any bigotry. Again, I agree that his views are incompatible with what the league claims to represent and understand the NBA/players/coaches' desire to sever ties with him, but the punitive fine doesn't make any sense unless there's more to it than we know.
And to your last point, musing that someone doesn't think that something is especially shameful or a big deal is not the same as accusing them of agreeing with it.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 9:30 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:27 am to Volvagia
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I swear, the outroar from fans, players, and officials is like he was recorded referring to his own team players as "fricking illiterate n*****s."
Most of the outrage is faked to simply not appear as a racist or uncaring.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:30 am to Navytiger74
The NBA can do with him what they want within the confines of the Franchise Agreement. But I personally agree with this:
I'm not comfortable with punishing people based on their feelings absent some manifestation.
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He didn't actually "do" anything wrong as far as I can tell. He held a private conversation that was made public.
I'm not comfortable with punishing people based on their feelings absent some manifestation.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:31 am to Volvagia
They weren't that bad.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:31 am to Scruffy
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No. I don't think they are that bad.
I'm actually impressed with America if this is one of the worst racism cases we could find today.
Pretty much this.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:33 am to Navytiger74
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That's actually an interesting question. I'm of the mind that our respective reactions to a given event or occurrence can to a large degree be influenced by familiarity and/or conditioning. Sterlings comments are probably not especially surprising or appalling to you because that way of thinking is something with which you're terribly familiar--either by association or personal sympathy. It makes it all the more amusing when so many on this board poopoo any mention of lingering racism in this country (except for racist blacks like Obama, Holder, Spike Lee, etc), then barely bat an eye when it's shoved front and center. It's quite a game of mental gymnastics and (predictably) goes something like this:
1. Alleged racial incident occurs
2. Board rallies to explain that it's not actually racist.
3. Once #2 fails, board regroups to argue that it isn't really that bad, says America's pussified, and blames the "PC police" for ruining all of our fun.
4. Concurrent with #3, board digs up every unflattering quote that some random black guy has said about whites, gays, or whomever and collectively whines to one another about how someone black would have gotten away with this controversy as well.
Rinse. Repeat.
Interesting point. Just make sure the next time some Democrat sex scandal breaks you don't claim "it doesn't affect his job performance."
I am sure you gave a full-throated condemnation of Bill Clinton (an elected public official) for his private act.
To the larger point it seems that private figures are facing greater scrutiny for there private actions. In Sterling's case it seems warranted, imho. However, I don't know the same can be said for Mozilla's Brendan Eich.
And yes it seems like conservatives are more upset about these recent cases, but do you not realize its only a matter of time before the worm turns (again)? CEO who aren't "patriotic" enough or seem to support terrorists could be given the boot just as quick.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:41 am to BigJim
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I am sure you gave a full-throated condemnation of Bill Clinton (an elected public official) for his private act.
Well I was a wee lad at the time (15ish) but I kept the copy of the Morning Advocate that read "Impeached". I wasn't a fan of his at the time (fundamentalist upbringing). As an aside, Clinton actually committed a couple of felonies during the conduct of that affair and conver-up.
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However, I don't know the same can be said for Mozilla's Brendan Eich.
Thought that was shameful, but privately held entities will have a say in how they're branded.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 10:38 am to Navytiger74
What about the outrage over:
Rapists (Kobe Bryant)
Killers (Dante Stallworth)
Obstructors of Justice (Ray Lewis)
Whoremongers (Tiger Woods)
Why didn't these guys get lifetime bans? Much worse than some dumb statement from an old man.
Rapists (Kobe Bryant)
Killers (Dante Stallworth)
Obstructors of Justice (Ray Lewis)
Whoremongers (Tiger Woods)
Why didn't these guys get lifetime bans? Much worse than some dumb statement from an old man.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 11:23 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 10:57 am to TJG210
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Rapists (Kobe Bryant)
Found not guilty
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Killers (Dante Stallworth)
Was found guilty and lightly sentenced because he wasn't truly at fault for the death and still received a year long ban from the NFL.
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Whoremongers (Tiger Woods)
Banging side pieces isn't exactly detrimental for the PGA. They probably increased viewership and sales because of it.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:04 am to Antonio Moss
I thought Kobe settled, and charges were dropped?
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 11:05 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:05 am to TJG210
That's actually a good point.....there's other shocking behavior that has gone unchecked within the organization.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 11:08 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:22 am to 805tiger
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I'm black and I don't think they were that bad when I heard the recordings.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:27 am to PrimeTime Money
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I think there was such a huge reaction because of the many times the media tries to make race issues out of nothing.
You mean charles latibeaudiere
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:33 am to Volvagia
Yep, only on the poliboard will people believe "its not that bad" to think being seen in public with black people is an embarrassment.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:33 am to Volvagia
Fascist speech police are taking over this country
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:35 am to onmymedicalgrind
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to think being seen in public with black people is an embarrassment.
cuz she was fricking them and his friends were giving him shite. It's not that hard to figure out.
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