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re: Alito & Thomas wish to review Obergefell v. Hodges

Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:34 pm to
Posted by The Goon
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:34 pm to
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This is where I think conservatives go too far. Let the gays get married and ruin their lives with divorces.


Then pass a law in congress, like they are supposed to. The Supreme Court can’t just wave a wand and makeup a law. There’s enough support now to pass a law for gay marriage.
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
14462 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:34 pm to
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I thought congress codified gay marriage. Are they able to override that from the judicial?

Not unless there's something in the congressional codification that is unconstitutional.

My guess on reviewing Obergefell would be to override some precedent set for covering more "protected classes" under the 14th Amendment.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26833 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:34 pm to
Seems to be stemming from the Idaho push to undo gay marriage and the comments made by the Justices in the Roe v Wade decision.

https://www.newsweek.com/will-supreme-court-overturn-gay-marriage-2026450


This push has been predicted ever since Alito and Thomas suggested in the overturning of Roe that Obergefell was incorrectly decided.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476884 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:35 pm to
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Honestly, it should be a state issue


The problem is, it will ultimately end up as a federal/Constitutional one.

The Full Faith and Credit Clause makes leaving this a state issue all but impossible today.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476884 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:35 pm to
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. The Supreme Court can’t just wave a wand and makeup a law


They didn't "make up a law"

They recognized a right, which they can do. That doesn't mean they're infallible or that ruling can't be reversed (Roe), but they can recognize Constitutional rights.
Posted by TriStateAreaFootball
Member since Dec 2024
2142 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:38 pm to
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They recognized a right, which they can do

Actually we have a document known as “The Bill of Rights” that clarifies exactly what rights you have.

The right to marry someone of your same gender against 5000 years of religious and legal history was not in that document. Believe it or not.
Posted by Fat Bastard
alter hunter
Member since Mar 2009
91100 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:39 pm to
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You cannot separate the Gay and Transgender issues. It cannot be done


Perversion is Perversion. This a morality issue.


you are not wrong.



do wtf you want just stop ramming the agenda down our throats. they stormed churches, demnad cakes baked, all over movies, commercials, etc. pride month should be blown up like right now .

no LGBT celebrations or propaganda in russia
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26833 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:42 pm to
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Actually we have a document known as “The Bill of Rights” that clarifies exactly what rights you have.

The right to marry someone of your same gender against 5000 years of religious and legal history was not in that document. Believe it or not.


Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28170 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:44 pm to
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They recognized a right,


You misspelled "created".
Posted by timdonaghyswhistle
Member since Jul 2018
21068 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:44 pm to
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I thought congress codified gay marriage. Are they able to override that from the judicial?


This is one of the main reasons the USSC exists -- to strike down unconstitutional law. The other main reason is to rule on disputes between the states.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476884 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:45 pm to
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Actually we have a document known as “The Bill of Rights” that clarifies exactly what rights you have.

I didn't realize I was speaking to a scholar.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476884 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:45 pm to
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just stop ramming the agenda down our throats.


Posted by MMauler
Primary This RINO Traitor
Member since Jun 2013
24480 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:49 pm to
Wrong AGAIN, F. Lee F*cking Idiot.

Kennedy went against over 100 years of Supreme Court jurisprudence to literally invent a "constitutional" right to “dignity.“ Show me where that’s in the f*cking Constitution. Completely made up out of whole cloth.
This post was edited on 2/7/25 at 1:50 pm
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
9136 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:49 pm to
I’m all for gay marriage as long as it’s codified into law that no religious entity can be compelled to administer the proceeding.
Posted by HagaDaga
Member since Oct 2020
7866 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:51 pm to
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They didn't "make up a law"

They recognized a right, which they can do.

By ignoring another...the vote of the people.
Posted by HoopsAurora
Member since Apr 2024
1880 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:51 pm to
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Focus on DEI, tranny culture, proRegressive ideals in schools. Let the gays be.


Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476884 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:51 pm to
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Wrong AGAIN, F. Lee F*cking Idiot.

Kennedy went against over 100 years of Supreme Court jurisprudence


Apparently you can't read.

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That doesn't mean they're infallible or that ruling can't be reversed (Roe)
Posted by wareagle7298
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2013
3662 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:51 pm to
Stupid move. Leave it be. No one likes the trans shite...gay marriage hasn't effected anyone.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476884 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:52 pm to
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By ignoring another...the vote of the people.

The point of rights is that "the people" cannot violate them via voting (other than voting enough to amend the Constitution itself). That's LITERALLY the point.
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 2/7/25 at 1:53 pm to
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This is where I think conservatives go too far. Let the gays get married and ruin their lives with divorces.


In a vacuum I totally agree with this.

However, when the decision was made years ago by SCOTUS to legalize gay marriage, it sent a strong cultural shockwave through the nation. It was the state itself legitimizing it, and making people think it’s normal and nothing wrong with it.

And even if you are of the opinion that there is nothing wrong with it, it still normalizes the behavior so profoundly that 1. It increases the number of people who will partake in homosexual lifestyles that otherwise wouldn’t (I absolutely believe some non zero portion of younger people are “gay” now because it’s cool, and this is obviously true with trannys), and 2. Homosexual lifestyles are statistically more destructive and unhealthy. This information is hidden from the public, and replaced my state sanctioned normalcy.

In addition to this, the fact that “marriage” between homosexuals is legally and culturally considered exactly the same, it confuses people and subconsciously cheapens the institution itself by making it seemingly something about love rather than family building. This affects the straight portion of the population by making them more numb and nihilistic and having less of a sense of obligation and urgency to fulfill their calling of creating a family.

All of this plays a part in the biggest problem the country currently faces, the collapsing birth rate. With the increasing gender political divide, this problem will get worse and worse. Is the birth rate collapse due entirely to gay marriage? No, but it obviously didn’t help things either, these issues got worse and worse along with all the other insane sexual deviance activities.

So, you cannot actually say this doesn’t hurt anyone. You have to examine these things on a macro scale. Am I going to be marching in the streets to support the overturning of Obergfell? No. But I also have zero sympathy for its continuation and will be completely apathetic to the pleas for compassion in the event it was overturned. It should have had a constitutional amendment in the first place, when the country as a whole actually agreed on it (when obergfell went through the majority disagreed).

We can’t keep lying about stuff just to keep from making people feel bad. Homosexual activity is wrong, and it weakens society. You have to speak the truth.

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