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re: Abolishing the IRS
Posted on 7/24/26 at 8:56 pm to Swamp Angel
Posted on 7/24/26 at 8:56 pm to Swamp Angel
quote:Well, current income taxes are right about 20% of GDP. So you’d have to cut all government by about 50%, and payroll taxes in place, unless you end SS entirely. Also it would be a sozeable tax increase on the 50% or so that currently pay $0 in income taxes.
I'd suggest a 5 to 8% national sales tax on new goods. Everyone would pay there fair share (as it is called) sine the evil rich would pay more in taxes because they purchase more goods.
If that isn't sufficient revenue to cover federal expenditures then non-essential government programs must necessarily be cut.
I’m pretty onboard with those consequences, but I also recognize it’s political suicide.
This post was edited on 7/24/26 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 7/24/26 at 9:00 pm to dawginar
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Earned Income Credit, Additional Child Tax Credit to name 2.
I'm a huge advocate for helping out those who are struggling, but at the same time, I do not want to incentivize people to make less money. We need to find a way to help people who are at least trying to make a living without rewarding those who are just milking the system.
Posted on 7/24/26 at 10:01 pm to beebefootballfan
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Remember when trump used talk about neutering the IRS and no payroll taxes.
I miss those days.
If you get MAGA to make some noise about it he'll say those things again.
He won't do them, of course, because he can't, but if you just like hearing it, he'll say just about anything he thinks MAGA wants to hear.
Posted on 7/24/26 at 10:01 pm to beebefootballfan
Remember when we were raking in billions with tariffs and the courts ended most of it?
That was the plan to make it the ERS. External Revenue Service.
That was the plan to make it the ERS. External Revenue Service.
Posted on 7/24/26 at 10:12 pm to Taxing Authority
1) Why should SS be cut? That's not funded by income taxes. That's a completely separate tax in and of itself. It's taken with the promise of repayment at a set rate after a certain age (which more than likely will never equal the amount the individual paid into it).
2) It damned well OUGHT to be an increase for the freeloaders who pay no income taxes. And, for those who are extremely wealthy for whatever reason, they will be paiyng taxes as well on new goods purchased.
3) Cutting government by 50% is NOT a bad idea at all - except for the fact that it probably needs to be cut by even more than that.
We have always been taught in our schools that there is "no taxation without representation." So then, why is it that people who pay no taxes get to have a say in how the rest of us are taxed? Create a national sales tax/consumption tax and everyone now has skin in the game.
2) It damned well OUGHT to be an increase for the freeloaders who pay no income taxes. And, for those who are extremely wealthy for whatever reason, they will be paiyng taxes as well on new goods purchased.
3) Cutting government by 50% is NOT a bad idea at all - except for the fact that it probably needs to be cut by even more than that.
We have always been taught in our schools that there is "no taxation without representation." So then, why is it that people who pay no taxes get to have a say in how the rest of us are taxed? Create a national sales tax/consumption tax and everyone now has skin in the game.
This post was edited on 7/24/26 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 7/24/26 at 10:17 pm to beebefootballfan
Lol no chance in hell Republicans would allow that anyway.
Posted on 7/24/26 at 10:29 pm to beebefootballfan
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Remember when trump used talk about neutering the IRS
I believe that the BBB did take a yuge whack at the IRS budget. Gotta give orange and the republicans in congress credit where credit is due.
Posted on 7/24/26 at 10:39 pm to beebefootballfan
I would redirect the IRS towards politically motivated non profits and fraud.
Posted on 7/24/26 at 10:46 pm to TrueTiger
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Iran was an unforced error. But now that that die is cast, we must follow through.
The dumbest shite I’ve seen posted in a month. You MAGA folks are truly fricked. As bad as the Obama folks.
Posted on 7/24/26 at 11:08 pm to beebefootballfan
He had a huge mandate, landslide, popular vote, etc. and he spent it all on Israel.
Posted on 7/24/26 at 11:59 pm to mwlewis
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This post was edited on 8/24/26 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 7/25/26 at 12:05 am to Swamp Angel
quote:Maybe try reading?
1) Why should SS be cut? That's not funded by income taxes. That's a completely separate tax in and of itself.
quote:
So you’d have to cut all government by about 50%, and payroll taxes in place,unless you end SS entirely.
quote:There is no guaranteed ROI. Congress can cut it to zero anytime it wants.
It's taken with the promise of repayment at a set rate after a certain age (which more than likely will never equal the amount the individual paid into it).
quote:I'm not sure why you're arging?
2) It damned well OUGHT to be an increase for the freeloaders who pay no income taxes.3) Cutting government by 50% is NOT a bad idea at all
quote:Hell, I'm for flat taxes (not flat percentage). But... like raising taxes on over 50% of the population it's a political non-starter. We love our government spending. See your point #1.
I’m pretty onboard with those consequences,
Posted on 7/25/26 at 7:05 am to Taxing Authority
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We love our government spending. See your point #1.
Legitimate, constitutionally authorized government spending is one thing. The bloated beast that currently inhabits DC needs to go on a starvation diet at this point. And as for previous point #1 - I would dearly LOVE to do away with SS. FDR implemented a TON of socialist policies that have wrought hell on our nation's socio-economics. The only way to do that fairly and legitimately would be to assess what everyone has paid into it at this point and return every penny paid into to those who paid it. That, obviously, ain't gonna happen.
Woodrow Wilson and later FDR did an absolute number on our nation by planting the seeds of socialism. The 16th amendment, which established the federal income tax, was not ratified in a constitutional manner. The amendment, as it is written and included in our constitution, does not have the same verbiage that each of the states ratified on their own at the time. But, true to the American way, nothing ever happens when government seizes more power.
Ad you said regarding SS:
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There is no guaranteed ROI. Congress can cut it to zero anytime it wants.
and this is an excellent reason why it needs to go the way of the dinosaur. But I'll be damned if I'll let congress off with little more than a nasty letter after they have forced payment into the SS program with the promise to begin repayment (in a way that seldom matches what the payer has paid at this point) after a certain age is attained.
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Hell, I'm for flat taxes (not flat percentage)
What the hell does this even mean? How do you propose a flat tax without leveling it as a percentage? What would the tax be based on? Income? Property?
If you'd like to base taxation upon property, then maybe, just maybe, we ought to return to an electorate consisting entirely of property owners. (Kinda like how the Constitution was written in the first place before the folks who love them some government control masquerading as "democracy" started fiddling about with amendments that began eroding the authority of "We the People." But that's a whole 'nuther rabbit to chase.
Bottom line: Federal Spending is out of control. Federal government is too large and has its fingers all over everything it ought not. US citizens are being robbed at gunpoint via federal income taxes. (And . . . we, as a nation, need to go on a economic diet and once again limit the federal government to acting only according to specifically enumerated Constitutional powers and authority.)
Posted on 7/25/26 at 8:31 am to TrueTiger
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He's human like the rest of us.
Sure but I think at this level he needs to have much better people than he has.
I get that he wants loyalty more than anything. Last time he tried with the so-called "best" and they fricked him (and us) royally.
Now he's got a bunch of yes men (mostly noble people to be sure) but they seem a little incompetent at times.
In this regard, I can admit he's in a bit of a catch-22 situation.
Posted on 7/25/26 at 9:10 am to beebefootballfan
I'd settle for abolishing sales tax.
Posted on 7/25/26 at 9:13 am to beebefootballfan
I do and I wish we could get that done. However, it is pretty clear our GOP controlled senate is never going to help pass legislation for that. They won’t even pass the Save America Act that is widely supported by citizens. We are fricked as a Republic.
Posted on 7/25/26 at 9:30 am to Ag Zwin
quote:If we give one dime for foreign aid or to NGO’s, we are overtaxed.
Some things do have to be paid for.
Posted on 7/25/26 at 9:48 am to beebefootballfan
Your taxes are lower because of Trump. You are also posting on a Louisiana heavy message board where people vote against lowering their income tax.
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