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Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:28 am to VoxDawg
Oliver Stone's Ukraine on Fire documentary in its entirety:
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:30 am to SDVTiger
So I wonder the narrative will be if Putin moves against the Balkans or Poland in the next few years.
He’ll bide his time , but he yearns to get the band together again(USSR)
But Trump and the U.S. capitulated this time, so who knows?
For all his talk, Trump never intended on forcing a fair deal. He’s left UKraine with a few horrible options…
He’ll bide his time , but he yearns to get the band together again(USSR)
But Trump and the U.S. capitulated this time, so who knows?
For all his talk, Trump never intended on forcing a fair deal. He’s left UKraine with a few horrible options…
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:30 am to VoxDawg
Incredible work if it sticks
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:33 am to VoxDawg
Good. Let's get all of our money out of this boondoggle and pretend it never happened.
Say what you want about Trump. Russia never would have pulled this invasion during his presidency.
Say what you want about Trump. Russia never would have pulled this invasion during his presidency.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:33 am to Jbird
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The only question that remains: will Russia likewise agree to it? Color me skeptical. Didn't they already agree in principal?
The last I read the Russians had agreed to review a deal but would not agree to a deal unless all of Russia’s demands were met which includes international recognition of Crimea and the Donbas as Russian which this plan does not do. That is not their conditions for a peace treaty. That is just their condition for a ceasefire. So it is highly unlikely that Russia agrees. However if they do agree then I will be happy to admit that I was wrong.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:33 am to WeeWee
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2. Not to rain on the parade because it is good news but it means nothing if Russia doesn’t agree.
Narrator: They won’t agree.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:35 am to WeeWee
Gotcha, well then continue to bleed boys.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:36 am to VoxDawg
Putin will soon say, "NYET!!!"
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:36 am to Jbird
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:36 am to WeeWee
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The last I read the Russians had agreed to review a deal but would not agree to a deal unless all of Russia’s demands were met which includes international recognition of Crimea and the Donbas as Russian which this plan does not do. That is not their conditions for a peace treaty. That is just their condition for a ceasefire. So it is highly unlikely that Russia agrees. However if they do agree then I will be happy to admit that I was wrong.
The sooner Putin and Zelenski are fish food, the better for everyone else.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:38 am to Decatur
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2. Not to rain on the parade because it is good news but it means nothing if Russia doesn’t agree. Narrator: They won’t agree.
I agree that the Russians won’t agree. If the Russians don’t agree to this deal which gives them most of what they want then Trump has no reason to believe that they will be able to get a deal without a Russian battlefield defeat and/or economic collapse.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:38 am to WeeWee
So Putin has no incentive to keep grinding?
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:41 am to WeeWee
Ironically our posture in Venezuela makes Putin stronger because China will demand more energy from Russia.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:41 am to WeeWee
The Russians know they can keep stringing Trump along and that eventually he’ll get frustrated and look for a way to end this on terms highly favorable to Russia.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:41 am to Sassafrasology
Russia will agree to terms.
Russia and US are working behind the scenes together on this.
The EU is FAFO.
Russia and US are working behind the scenes together on this.
The EU is FAFO.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:42 am to WeeWee
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If the Russians don’t agree to this deal which gives them most of what they want then Trump has no reason to believe that they will be able to get a deal without a Russian battlefield defeat and/or economic collapse.
Correct
Which is why I'm not seeing why everyone is spiking the football already
Trump deserves credit for trying but this might not be anywhere near over
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:43 am to WeeWee
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which includes international recognition of Crimea and the Donbas as Russian which this plan does not do
international can not even recognize the difference between a man and a woman
Russia will have Donbas and Crimea, what is the Motherland shall remain the motherland.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:44 am to ScottFowler
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The Long Con
Spot on.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:44 am to LSURussian
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Putin will soon say, "NYET!!!"
Just like he won’t go to Alaska.
You’re wrong about everything
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