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re: A major impediment to upward mobility for blacks is racist landlords.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 10:26 am to Ace Midnight
Posted on 11/7/14 at 10:26 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
Yeah - Rob is asserting an irrelevant statistical fact.
Um. I'm merely observing that this national fact(that you agreed with finally) COULD have an effect upon how a landlord looks at potential tenants PRIOR to knowing their credit score. Ya know, since that was part of the issue in the article.
quote:But, you were incorrect about what you thought I was implying. I mean, ya know. We actually ACKNOWLEDGED the same reality once you finally realized I didn't mean what you thought I meant.
I thought he was implying something else, and he kept doubling down with either inaccurate or misleading implications.
quote:Not sure how we got to crime data. I haven't even addressed that.
having a white and black rental application does not give me the right to assume the white will refrain from criminal activity and the black will engage in it, based on statistical data that is irrelevant to their applications.
quote:Um. No one assumes ALL of anything are bad. Hell. Not ALL 750 credit score people wont end up having issues and break your lease and not ALL 500 credit score people will stiff you.
I shouldn't assume all white males from 25 to 50 are serial killers, just because most serial killers come from that demographic.
Even landlords with zero racial bias who 100% use credit scores are merely playing the odds.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 10:34 am to ShortyRob
quote:
Um. I'm merely observing that this national fact(that you agreed with finally) COULD have an effect upon how a landlord looks at potential tenants PRIOR to knowing their credit score. Ya know, since that was part of the issue in the article.
Ok this brings up an interesting point. Lets say the landlord is totally not racist, and just has a policy that he must get credit scores from blacks because they are statistically lower overall in this country. So now two prospective tenants with equally low credit scores apply for the same house/aptm. The landlord only runs a credit check on the black guy, and uncovers his low rating, thus leaving only the white guy left. He rents to him despite them having equal credit scores.
Do you consider this an example of the super-charged term "white privilege?"
Posted on 11/7/14 at 10:36 am to SpidermanTUba
Do you have nothing better to do?
Posted on 11/7/14 at 10:36 am to onmymedicalgrind
quote:
Ok this brings up an interesting point. Lets say the landlord is totally not racist, and just has a policy that he must get credit scores from blacks because they are statistically lower overall in this country. So now two prospective tenants with equally low credit scores apply for the same house/aptm. The landlord only runs a credit check on the black guy, and uncovers his low rating, thus leaving only the white guy left. He rents to him despite them having equal credit scores.
I didn't say doing so was a genius approach. I merely observed that it wasn't proof of racism.
If I thought it was genius approach, that's how I'd approach renting my two rental homes.
I think sitting at the table with only other folks of your race might well mean you fail to meet the person in the room most compatible with you as a friend. But, people do it and, they aren't all racists.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 10:38 am to ShortyRob
I'm sorry, is that a yes, or a no?
Posted on 11/7/14 at 10:45 am to onmymedicalgrind
quote:
I'm sorry, is that a yes, or a no?
No. "White Privilege" is a term that implies universality.
Since discrimination is literally a part of EVERY facet of life and is practiced by literally EVERY soul on the planet, I hardly think a particular example is proof of "white privilege".
Posted on 11/7/14 at 10:51 am to onmymedicalgrind
What this board doesn't get, in their justification of horrid, evil and despicable moral beliefs and behaviors, is that things like this disproportionally affect the lives of many good, honest, hardworking, and successful blacks and minorities.
Not for one second will they consider the fact that their racist justifications may hinder the life of a potentially good tenant and of good meaning and natured people.
This is something I personally have to live with as a black male living in New Orleans. That despite my higher education and being more educated and successful than some of the hacks that I have rented from, that someone won't see past my color and will automatically resume the worst possible things.
But I'm just supposed to accept this racist behavior as a part of life, non matter how much it disproportionally affects the life of my peers and I.
Tis, we have What I call "black burdens."
Not for one second will they consider the fact that their racist justifications may hinder the life of a potentially good tenant and of good meaning and natured people.
This is something I personally have to live with as a black male living in New Orleans. That despite my higher education and being more educated and successful than some of the hacks that I have rented from, that someone won't see past my color and will automatically resume the worst possible things.
But I'm just supposed to accept this racist behavior as a part of life, non matter how much it disproportionally affects the life of my peers and I.
Tis, we have What I call "black burdens."
Posted on 11/7/14 at 10:52 am to onmymedicalgrind
quote:
Lets say the landlord is totally not racist, and just has a policy that he must get credit scores from blacks because they are statistically lower overall in this country. So now two prospective tenants with equally low credit scores apply for the same house/aptm. The landlord only runs a credit check on the black guy, and uncovers his low rating, thus leaving only the white guy left. He rents to him despite them having equal credit scores.
Smacks of unfair treatment (not outcomes - I don't give a crap about outcomes, in the grand scheme of things - nobody is guaranteed an outcome) and I can't condone it.
On the other hand, credit score should only be part of the equation. Actual landlords with actual experience with the tenent should give a better snapshot than a credit score that might include a lot of things, such as a business bankruptcy, particular dispute with a particular creditor or even fairly young credit - all could score low, while saying nothing about the reliability of the tenent's payment history.
Reference for applicant 1: "He might not have electricity on or gas in his car, but he paid rent on time, every time."
Reference of applicant 2: "He was always buying electronics and had plenty of money for women and beer, but I had to chase him down for the rent every...single...month."
I don't care if Applicant 1 looks like Wesley Snipes and Applicant 2 is Donald Trump - I'm renting to 1.
Only color that matters is green, ya herd me?
This post was edited on 11/7/14 at 10:53 am
Posted on 11/7/14 at 10:52 am to ShortyRob
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No. "White Privilege" is a term that implies universality.
Well my definition is simpler. Just means there are times when being white comes in handy. Do you disagree the hypothetical I proposed (based on something that actually happened per this study) is an example of "being white coming in handy?"
I understand this is a hot political topic, but man some people on here will never ever admit that their skin tone has ever come in handy at any point in their lives. I have no qualms admitting there were numerous occasions where being black definitely came in handy. I don't feel guilty or apologize for it, but I can still acknowledge it. Never having to worry about getting picked in pick-up bball has been a blessing
Posted on 11/7/14 at 10:53 am to onmymedicalgrind
If that's white privilege, then it's black burdens on our end.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 10:56 am to StrongSafety
quote:
What this board doesn't get, in their justification of horrid, evil and despicable moral beliefs and behaviors, is that things like this disproportionally affect the lives of many good, honest, hardworking, and successful blacks and minorities.
Not for one second will they consider the fact that their racist justifications may hinder the life of a potentially good tenant and of good meaning and natured people.
This is something I personally have to live with as a black male living in New Orleans. That despite my higher education and being more educated and successful than some of the hacks that I have rented from, that someone won't see past my color and will automatically resume the worst possible things.
But I'm just supposed to accept this racist behavior as a part of life, non matter how much it disproportionally affects the life of my peers and I.
Tis, we have What I call "black burdens."
There have been very well done studies documenting that even when resumes are equal, short men are less likely to be hired than tall men.
Ugly women have a harder time getting hired.
Fat men have a harder time getting hired.
Fat & Ugly women are basically sucking arse in our economy.
I could go on.
Yes. You have to deal with it because it's part of life. Good fricking lord. We've created a nation of children.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 10:56 am to onmymedicalgrind
That's the problem with this board. They have no recognition of a potential existentialism that they may possess.
You can show they scientific studies and field cases like this but they will always try to find a way to justify or support racial bias and attitudes that do more to harm and destroy our country than anything president Obama or Holder has ever done
You can show they scientific studies and field cases like this but they will always try to find a way to justify or support racial bias and attitudes that do more to harm and destroy our country than anything president Obama or Holder has ever done
Posted on 11/7/14 at 10:57 am to onmymedicalgrind
quote:
I understand this is a hot political topic, but man some people on here will never ever admit that their skin tone has ever come in handy at any point in their lives. I have no qualms admitting there were numerous occasions where being black definitely came in handy. I don't feel guilty or apologize for it, but I can still acknowledge it. Never having to worry about getting picked in pick-up bball has been a blessing
Sure. Of course, nobody is asking you to atone for your "privilege."
I have no issue with the concept that being white may make getting a mortgage easier in some scenarios, or may make a traffic stop go more quickly.
I do have a problem with those who want to expand everything I've earned and that my parents earned into some societal-driven impact that has nothing to do with merit but everything to do with persecution of other races.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 10:58 am to onmymedicalgrind
quote:Then you're definition is meaningless because you could insert any other category in place of white and the statement would still be true.
Well my definition is simpler. Just means there are times when being white comes in handy
quote:Was that an example of "black privilege"?
I have no qualms admitting there were numerous occasions where being black definitely came in handy.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 10:59 am to ShortyRob
quote:
Yes. You have to deal with it because it's part of life.
While I do agree with your overall point, I would just add that its always easier to say "get over it" when you are part of the group that isn't getting the short end of the stick.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 10:59 am to ShortyRob
i read that an all I got is was "IDC."
if you had a moral pulse, you'd realize that something should be done about all those injustices.
I've always said this, but we can give black people reparations or $200B, but that would be much easier than changing the attitudes, hearts and minds of racist (not calling you one, specifically)
if you had a moral pulse, you'd realize that something should be done about all those injustices.
I've always said this, but we can give black people reparations or $200B, but that would be much easier than changing the attitudes, hearts and minds of racist (not calling you one, specifically)
Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:00 am to onmymedicalgrind
Easier said than done
Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:00 am to Pettifogger
quote:
Sure. Of course, nobody is asking you to atone for your "privilege."
I have no issue with the concept that being white may make getting a mortgage easier in some scenarios, or may make a traffic stop go more quickly.
I do have a problem with those who want to expand everything I've earned and that my parents earned into some societal-driven impact that has nothing to do with merit but everything to do with persecution of other races.
Hell. I got a ticked 2 weeks ago and then later, passed by that same cop who had pulled over a co-worker.
I saw her later and said, "that sucks, he got you too". She said "no, I cried and he let me off with a warning". Oh. Did I mention she's hot.
Alas, That's life.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:00 am to SpidermanTUba
Were they dressed similar? That's a crucial detail of this story.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:01 am to ShortyRob
Black privilege?
Nothing that is especially relevant in any adults life.
Unless your some extraordinary professional athlete...and they encompass less than 0.001 % of our population..
Nothing that is especially relevant in any adults life.
Unless your some extraordinary professional athlete...and they encompass less than 0.001 % of our population..
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