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re: 83% of Covid-19 deaths were among the Fully Vaccinated past month in UK
Posted on 10/25/21 at 4:46 pm to the808bass
Posted on 10/25/21 at 4:46 pm to the808bass
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It’s comparing two data sets. What’s non-rigorous about it?
Uh, the fact that the two populations are not comparable. You've not controlled for age, illness, or any other factors that differ between the control and treatment group. As explained, the health of people with breakthrough cases is going to be much lower than the health of people unvaccinated and positive. Therefore, the mortality rates are not comparable. But we can get granular - I'm perfectly fine with that.
The fact that you're comparing two data sets without controlling for other variables makes it non-rigorous. The principle of ceteris paribus is not held, hence it cannot be rigorous.
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The more granular you have to get to show the vaccine is “working.” The less the vaccine is working.
I mean I'm pretty sure I've not needed to get granular. The fact is, hospitalization and mortality rates are lower among the vaccinated population compared with the unvaccinated population. The reason I've not needed to get granular is that the vaccinated population in the UK is older and less healthy than the unvaccinated population. Hence, you'd actually expect mortality rates among the vaccinated to be higher compared with the unvaccinated if vaccines weren't working.
Once you control for age and health, the disparity gets even worse.
Nevertheless, you've still not addressed the claim that the vaccine works to reduce hospitalization by reducing incidence of disease.
And hang on a minute, you just claimed that the vaccine reduces the incidence of disease. Would that not be an example of the vaccine working? Now, I don't think it's the mechanism by which deaths are reduced but it's something you're arguing. This is exactly talking out of both sides of your mouth here.
On the one hand, you claim the vaccine doesn't work. Then, you claim that it works by reducing the incidence of disease. Which is it?
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 4:49 pm
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 4:50 pm to the808bass
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Korkstand
Posted on 10/25/21 at 4:54 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Plenty of people do.
No they don’t. Plenty of people recognize it isn’t what it was billed to be. Plenty realize it’s unnecessary. But that’s really it. 80% of adults already got the jab.
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whatever negative effects of the vaccine you are most worried about would seem to be even worse for an actual natural infection.
Probably not since no one can say what the long term effects are...but the big difference is; I can avoid catching covid. Senile Uncle Joe is going to force me to get the jab.
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 10/25/21 at 4:57 pm to DaBike
That means it's working 
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:00 pm to Lsut81
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I'm as anti forced jab as the next guy, but this data doesn't mean shite without knowing the deaths per 100k.
They don’t seem to realize that they weaken their position and stoop down to the left’s level when they post misleading statistics.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:04 pm to Chet Donnely
quote:Yes, but now you have to look at absolute numbers.
Just like it was predictable that infections and hospitalizations and deaths among unvaccinated would dwarf rates among the vaccinated when there were way more unvaccinated than fully vaccinated people here right?
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:08 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Yes, but now you have to look at absolute numbers.
Where can we find those? Cause right now a guy could get mauled by a snow leopard and be counted as a covid death.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:20 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:What I mean is, if deaths go from 2000/day down to 5/day, nobody is going to care about the rate (i.e. 3 of those deaths are unvaxxed vs vaxxed or whatever) of anything. It'll just be knocked off the front page and we'll move on.
Where can we find those? Cause right now a guy could get mauled by a snow leopard and be counted as a covid death.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:22 pm to Big Scrub TX
What if we hit’s Fauci’s 70% adult vax goal by July and see cases and deaths fricking explode? What should we do then?
I know! Moar vax!
I know! Moar vax!
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:25 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:I mean, if everyone were vaxxed, the numbers we actually care about (hospitalizations/deaths) would be extremely low, so yes.
What if we hit’s Fauci’s goal of 70% adult vax goal by July and see cases and deaths fricking explode? What should we do then?
I know! Moar vax!
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:26 pm to Big Scrub TX
They are already extremely low.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:29 pm to DaBike
The vaccine is turning out just to be a temporary “fix” until you get natural protection from actually getting The virus.
Once you get it, then time to move on with life. If u are high risk then keep getting boosters until a real vaccine come out
Once you get it, then time to move on with life. If u are high risk then keep getting boosters until a real vaccine come out
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:32 pm to DaBike
Coming soon to the US.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:46 pm to tigeraddict
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vaccine is just a temporary "fix" until you get natural protection from actually getting the virus
Exactly!
Look at the NFL for example.
"Breakthrough" cases everywhere!
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:57 pm to AmericanPsycho99
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LINK
What kind of junk, propaganda site is that?
Edit - I see each of your posts has one upvote. That wouldn't be your upvote, would it? Nah. You are clearly above that kind of childish shite.
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 10/25/21 at 6:21 pm to LakeCharles
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What kind of junk, propaganda site is that?
It's a site funded by the University of Cambridge and the article itself is written by a research fellow at the University of Cambridge. The University of Cambridge is a university in the UK. One of the site's aims is to improve science discourse both domestically and internationally.
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I see each of your posts has one upvote. That wouldn't be your upvote, would it? Nah. You are clearly above that kind of childish shite.
I've not upvoted any of my comments you paranoid dumbass.
And back down - you lost. You asked me to name 3 vaccines that were non-sterilizing. I did so. Now, tell me that you got it wrong instead of trying to deflect like the coward you are.
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 10/25/21 at 6:38 pm to DaBike
The manner in which they calculate unvaccinated deaths can be deceptive and be manipulated to their advantage too. For example, most of the unvaccinated deaths consists of elderly people above 60s who mostly have underlying health conditions but are classified as unvaccinated deaths just because they have covid at the same time and their death could well be caused by their own pre-existing conditions rather than the virus.
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