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re: 83% of Covid-19 deaths were among the Fully Vaccinated past month in UK
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:23 am to AmericanPsycho99
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:23 am to AmericanPsycho99
It seems you want to have a debate about whether the vaccines have any efficacy at all. That’s a straw man, since no one argues they are useless. The debate lies in their relative efficacy compared to covid death rates, particularly in children, and if the potentially side affects override that efficacy for many people. The freedom Americans are being asked to surrender isn’t justified by this pandemic.
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:34 am to Chet Donnely
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Force everyone to do something they don't need because some people who should do it, won't. That's your fricking argument? Go frick yourself
And what's your argument? I can't see one being presented.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:36 am to Vacherie Saint
I fail to see how it's a straw man.
The efficacy of the vaccines are continually being questioned on this board and someone needs to push back against the narrative that they don't work. A thread with the title '83% of COVID deaths were among the fully vaccinated past month in the UK' isn't talking about relative efficacy - it's trying to push the false narrative that the vaccines don't work. It's clear to anybody though that they do.
Not once has someone mentioned relative efficacy compared with COVID death rates, which would be a different discussion all together.
The efficacy of the vaccines are continually being questioned on this board and someone needs to push back against the narrative that they don't work. A thread with the title '83% of COVID deaths were among the fully vaccinated past month in the UK' isn't talking about relative efficacy - it's trying to push the false narrative that the vaccines don't work. It's clear to anybody though that they do.
Not once has someone mentioned relative efficacy compared with COVID death rates, which would be a different discussion all together.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:38 am to DaBike
This is what the next spike will look like (and part of why the CDC will change their definition of "fully vaccinated" to include boosters).
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:40 am to AmericanPsycho99
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And what's your argument? I can't see one being presented.
Every post in this thread by you is in support of the "argument" that the vaccines might actually still be good at something. But then you admit there isn't even enough evidence to be sure, yet you're ok with forcing it on people that don't need it. You're a dumb arse. That's not an argument, it's a fact. Take your boosters, leave everyone else alone, frick off.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 11:02 am to theunknownknight
quote:Placebos cause no harm. This shite is more akin to snake oil. It actually has detrimental effects on healthy people.
It’s nothing more than a placebo at this point
Posted on 10/25/21 at 11:05 am to AmericanPsycho99
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I don't think anybody has a problem with people under 30 not getting vaccinated - it's not them who end up in hospital.
They are trying to get it approved to give to 5 year olds! The only thing stopping a lot of schools from requiring it for ALL students is, it is not approved for kids.........YET.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 11:09 am to Vacherie Saint
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Bananahammock
Y’all are reading a startup misinformation website from the UK and parroting it as gospel.
This coupled with the “mark of the beast” claims and raiding tractor supply stores for sheep drench and horse paste has me stomping my feet laughing.
I used to sit around and worry about politics, but never got into the conspiracy theories that pervade this board. Once I figured out how much money there is to be made under any political regime, life got so much more exciting and the world become a much less scary place.
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The Daily Expose is a U.K.-focused conspiracy site created in November of last year, and since its establishment, it has promoted a standard portfolio of COVID-denialist, anti-vaxxer, and Great Reset myths framed as breaking news. It has grown to be extremely influential in the alt-news ecosystem, with its articles getting thousands of shares per day on Telegram, Twitter, and other private chat channels. Although the website is less than a year old, it has grown by more than 300,000 page views per month since January, with the last data available suggesting it had more than 1.5 million total cumulative views.
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Unusually for a conspiracy site, The Daily Expose produces original content several times per day, rather than resharing memes or articles from elsewhere. On its “about” page, it claims to use only official documents from government or scientific sources to write its stories. The writers often distort or misinterpret the information within the snapshots of the documents they use to push a number of conspiratorial narratives. For instance, The Daily Expose has claimed that vaccines were approved without any sort of safety checks and that vaccines are causing mass death.
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The writers and contributors don’t request interviews with scientists, government officials, or other qualified experts to make sure they’re interpreting these documents correctly. Nor do they give the right of reply to any of the institutions or figures they are reporting on, which is an expected journalistic practice. The Daily Expose has fielded interviews with fringe figures, for instance, Mike Yeadon, but the interviews take the form of a transcript of their opinions, which are neither questioned nor fact checked. Because the writer or writers have been anonymous to this point, they have not been able to be held accountable for their content, nor do they have wider connections to any journalists who can vouch for their work. All of these factors make the website an extremely dangerous platform for misinformation, as it carries the weight of official documents without the transparency or accountability of reputable science or journalism.
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The Daily Expose’s first posts are from November 2020. In March, Twitter suspended its main account, but almost immediately The Daily Expose was able to make a succession of alt accounts to get around the ban. At least five accounts were created at various stages after the initial ban. After the second ban, The Daily Expose made sure to run pairs of accounts so that individual account bans wouldn’t result in a complete loss of followers or lack of ability to tweet. The ban-evading accounts would always point followers to the paired account, accusing Twitter of censorship. Generally, accounts were set up with different phone numbers and email accounts from different providers, though they included similar bios, images, and headers, while also all linking to The Daily Expose website. Presently, two of their alts remain operational and have 18k and 14k followers respectively. A full 65 percent of their referrals come from Twitter.
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The articles are all anonymous, signed online with a “Daily Expose” byline, save for a regular column written by Emily Smith of Leeds, who uses the WordPress handle captaindaretofly, and other occasional one-time contributors. On her other social media, Smith does not post anonymously.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 11:09 am to Chet Donnely
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. But then you admit there isn't even enough evidence to be sure,
Uh, I didn't say that. If you read my comments, I've been pretty clear that the vaccines work. That's my argument and I've been pretty consistent on that.
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ok with forcing it on people that don't need it. You're a dumb arse
How is this a refutation of anything you dumbass? This is barely a rebuttal. Saying 'leave everyone else alone' isn't an argument.
I'm okay with a mandate, yes, but now we're veering off into a discussion that's completely different from the debate about efficacy.
There is some evidence that they reduce transmission to some extent, which would be the basis of any argument that's pro-mandate.
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 11:11 am
Posted on 10/25/21 at 11:11 am to AmericanPsycho99
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I'm okay with a mandate, yes,
All you had to say. frick off
Posted on 10/25/21 at 11:14 am to AmericanPsycho99
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. But then you admit there isn't even enough evidence to be sure,
Uh, I didn't say that.
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This could suggest that the vaccine is having some effect on transmissibility but not enough to conclusively conclude it at this stage.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 11:22 am to Chet Donnely
Are you a dumbass?
There's two ways the vaccine can work: by reducing transmission or by reducing deaths/hospitalizations. I've been fairly clear that the vaccines work by reducing deaths and it's clearly very effective at that.
The comment you were quoting was about whether the vaccines work at reducing transmission, where there isn't enough evidence to be sure. However, if we want to engage in mandate discussion, it's better to mandate it to be on the safe side because it does reduce deaths/hospitalizations and plenty of evidence to suggest that it also has an effect on transmission (although inconclusive). Better to be safe than sorry.
There's two ways the vaccine can work: by reducing transmission or by reducing deaths/hospitalizations. I've been fairly clear that the vaccines work by reducing deaths and it's clearly very effective at that.
The comment you were quoting was about whether the vaccines work at reducing transmission, where there isn't enough evidence to be sure. However, if we want to engage in mandate discussion, it's better to mandate it to be on the safe side because it does reduce deaths/hospitalizations and plenty of evidence to suggest that it also has an effect on transmission (although inconclusive). Better to be safe than sorry.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 11:30 am to AmericanPsycho99
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AmericanPsycho99
Posted on 10/25/21 at 11:36 am to AmericanPsycho99
If they (and you apparently) wanted confidence from the American people so that the shot would be taken maybe they should have not TOLD SO MANY LIES. At this point I probably should get the shot, but I won’t because I don’t trust anything anyone on that side says. Not the government, not my doctor, not someone on a message board. Adding insult to injury is trying to FORCE American workers out of their jobs to get their way - not people crossing the border illegally, not people on government support - just hard working, tax paying citizens. Ignoring natural immunity, laughing at deeply held religious convictions - post all the numbers you want but be sure you understand why some people have drawn a line in the sand. Is that dangerous or foolish? Idk, but then Lexington may have been considered dangerous and foolish.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 11:43 am to Bayouhobo
Only in America have vaccines become politicized.
There are no sides and there shouldn't be sides.
In the UK where the data was provided, vaccine uptake is high among both parties for example.
Don't get the vaccine, get the vaccine. That's up to you and I'm not going to argue with you. Just don't spread false data that the vaccine doesn't work.
There are no sides and there shouldn't be sides.
In the UK where the data was provided, vaccine uptake is high among both parties for example.
Don't get the vaccine, get the vaccine. That's up to you and I'm not going to argue with you. Just don't spread false data that the vaccine doesn't work.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 11:50 am to AmericanPsycho99
frick you’re stupid.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 11:51 am to DaBike
#teampureblood
Posted on 10/25/21 at 11:52 am to AmericanPsycho99
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The efficacy of the vaccines are continually being questioned on this board and someone needs to push back against the narrative that they don't work.
frick, dude. You are literally comparing cases, hospitalizations, and deaths of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. The fact that large numbers of "vaccinated" people are getting covid, being hospitalized, and dying tells you it doesn't work. Words have meanings.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 11:58 am to AmericanPsycho99
I didn’t spread any data. No data from me. I said they lied repeatedly and they are disrespecting freedoms - specifically of religious practice. Are you saying this information is incorrect? And who is it that has made it political? Not me. I was happy to line up until I started to realize the lies that surrounded the entire pandemic. I wasn’t looking for an argument. But feel free to correct me on the lies and coercion.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 12:03 pm to AmericanPsycho99
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I fail to see
Found the problem
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