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re: 4D Chess Bros...explain to me what Trump did with this China pause?
Posted on 5/12/25 at 2:04 pm to Penrod
Posted on 5/12/25 at 2:04 pm to Penrod
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You, with your TDS, and the Trumpkins don’t wait
Wat for what? There is no endgame. Hes making shite up as he goes, its you people who fill in the narrative.
In case you took a 40 year nap, we had 4 years of this already. Shifting goalposts, shifting ideals, muddled visions.
There is no endgame for Trump, the tariffs and "negotiations" give him attention and power, and thats all he cares about.
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Posted on 5/12/25 at 2:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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In case you took a 40 year nap, we had 4 years of this already. Shifting goalposts, shifting ideals, muddled visions.
There is no endgame for Trump, the tariffs and "negotiations" give him attention and power
Then why did Biden, blessed with Democrat control of both Houses, keep Trump’s China tariffs?
Posted on 5/12/25 at 2:07 pm to sidewalkside
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but wait...i thought this was about bringing manufacturing jobs back
Yes high paying manufacturing jobs is the goal
Posted on 5/12/25 at 2:08 pm to Penrod
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Then why did Biden, blessed with Democrat control of both Houses, keep Trump’s China tariffs?
Because he is an economic ignoramus.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 2:08 pm to TBoy
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What we did was stop shipments of goods, followed by a “best deal” to put the tariffs back almost exactly where they were before Trump took office.
What we really did was move the pharmaceutical drug manufacturing back to the United States as it posed a national security threat but then again you won't want to acknowledge this important facet of the trade deal either.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 2:12 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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China came running to the table because this trade battle hurt them way more that it hurt us.
That is not what China said. Neither is it what this administration said.
What i kept hearing the past few weeks from this administration was this:
“We are talking with China. They want to make a deal, they want to make a deal, and we want to make a deal.”
Here is what China would say in response:
“We have not held any discussions with anyone, we will not come to the table until the US drops these ridiculous levies.”
When Trump was asked if their were discussions going on this is what he said:
“I don’t want to talk about it.”
Winning!
Posted on 5/12/25 at 2:13 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Yes, that deal. What is it accomplishing in terms of stopping the flow of fentanyl? Stealing our IP? Stopping their aggressive cyber warfare against us? Helping ensure we win the AI race? etc.
Before I even engage with you acknowledge that close to $200B in annual tax revenue is a major positive outcome or it’s clear you aren’t serious about having an objective discussion on this.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 2:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Because there is no end game. Trump is addicted to meddling and has no outcomes.
Y'all create the outcomes and they change daily depending on his mood.
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Posted on 5/12/25 at 2:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Because there are no goals.
If you throw out a dozen outcomes, youre never wrong. This is the magic of Trumps 4D chess.
JFC... Your TDS is off the charts.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 2:18 pm to sidewalkside
He showed the world how dependent China was on us
Current tariffs -
China - 10% on US goods
US - 30% on Chinese imports
1) More Businesses willing to manufacture and ship from the US into China
2) Cost gap narrowing between US made goods and Chinese shipped goods to US consumers
3) Shipping costs on goods declining due to US origins as manufacturing increases
I mean, if you didnt hate America, it should be pretty easy to recognize
Current tariffs -
China - 10% on US goods
US - 30% on Chinese imports
1) More Businesses willing to manufacture and ship from the US into China
2) Cost gap narrowing between US made goods and Chinese shipped goods to US consumers
3) Shipping costs on goods declining due to US origins as manufacturing increases
I mean, if you didnt hate America, it should be pretty easy to recognize
Posted on 5/12/25 at 2:21 pm to BTROleMisser
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JFC... Your TDS is off the charts.
Whats the goal then, Junior?
It was decouple with China all week, now its not. Whats your new target?
This post was edited on 5/12/25 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 5/12/25 at 2:44 pm to Augustus516
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That is not what China said.
That is exactly what the real data and information sneaking out of China said - why do you think people there were protesting for back wages? All was not well. At all.
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Neither is it what this administration said.
Then you weren’t paying attention (perhaps willfully). There were many members of this administration saying things hit Chyna harder than us.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 3:02 pm to tide06
quote:Show your work - where are you getting $200B - and what was the TTM number prior to this "deal"?
Before I even engage with you acknowledge that close to $200B in annual tax revenue is a major positive outcome or it’s clear you aren’t serious about having an objective discussion on this.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 3:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Because he is an economic ignoramus.
Definitely they weren’t as smart as you, because if they realized the tariffs had been solely for Trump’s aggrandizement they would have surely repealed them. Given your views, you should have explained it to them.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 3:42 pm to Penrod
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Definitely they weren’t as smart as you,
With Trump it has nothing to do with intelligence. It has to do with stubbornness and narcissism.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 4:49 pm to Big Scrub TX
A) it’s just taking their 2024 US exports x 30% tariff rate, kept it extremely vanilla.
B) we don’t know what we collected from them in 2024 in actual tariffs because it wasn’t announced by the US govt that I could find.
But apparently per the actual Chinese trade negotiators they just stopped following the trade deals around 2022 because they decided Biden wouldn’t do anything about it so there’s that as a factor as well.
What we do know is that as we only collected $80B globally in all of 2024 and that this deal, assuming 2024 trade volume would would result in 2-2.5x that number without any other tariffs coming into play so it’s obviously a massive increase.
B) we don’t know what we collected from them in 2024 in actual tariffs because it wasn’t announced by the US govt that I could find.
But apparently per the actual Chinese trade negotiators they just stopped following the trade deals around 2022 because they decided Biden wouldn’t do anything about it so there’s that as a factor as well.
What we do know is that as we only collected $80B globally in all of 2024 and that this deal, assuming 2024 trade volume would would result in 2-2.5x that number without any other tariffs coming into play so it’s obviously a massive increase.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 5:01 pm to sidewalkside
AAhhhh, they still have 50% tariffs, the 20 we had on them, plus 10 everyone has, plus the added 20.
Also, he's cooking them like LOBSTER, they jumped to agree to 50% tariffs, but as soon as we get Drugs being made back in the USA and other products made here that are a required entity, Trump will twist the knife a little more UNLESS they come into free trade on their own and quit stealing intellectual properties.
Also, he's cooking them like LOBSTER, they jumped to agree to 50% tariffs, but as soon as we get Drugs being made back in the USA and other products made here that are a required entity, Trump will twist the knife a little more UNLESS they come into free trade on their own and quit stealing intellectual properties.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 5:28 pm to The Torch
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Allowed them to ship and unload all the stuff they had in the loop when he announced the tariffs.
It takes 15-20 (or more) for cargo ships to make the trip so there were a bunch at sea or in bays/docks/right outside us waters.
Tariffs are imposed FOB embarkation. Meaning tariffs applied to anything loaded after he announced the 145% tariffs.
Its why companies in the US and factories in china killed themselves to get them loaded on vessels before tariffs. So all the warehouses in the US are full and then....the tariffs hit. Factories had already produced months of supply and no orders so everyone was sent home.
Now they will come back to work at a much slower pace. Warehouses are still full and a 30% tariff will reduce demand.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 5:31 pm to TBoy
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There were different levels of tariffs for different goods depending on whether we were protecting specific industries, like auto manufacturing, or whether we had a specific need, like medical needles, etc. but the general average tariff level pre-Trump was around 27%.
What were the tariffs on USA goods into China?
Posted on 5/12/25 at 5:33 pm to AuburnTigers
Eggs have come down. Okay with that?
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